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Rough draft ideas toward the project:
All are invited to send ideas to bring the project to successful completion. 
 Editor@HangGliderHistory.com

  • All those who have some form of verification that they attended -or spectators could be included in a list of names on the monument-
     
  • Sponsorship of names by contribution - AeroVironment, Inc. could sponsor Dr. Paul MacCready's name on the plaque, etc.     Was Paul there or not?  He certainly advanced the movement following the meet in many wonderful ways.
     
  • Project financial needs?
     
  • Be ready to see federal national dimensions to the site and landmark project. Certainly the Virtual Plaque is an earth-entire matter.
     
  • Volunteer sponsorship. No legal obligation. Consent to be listed as sponsor is part of the process, as eventually petitioning California and Orange County and Newport Beach will be needed.
     
  • Specifics?   Schedule of needs?
     
  • How might donated funds be handled responsibly and perhaps as a tax deduction?
     
  • Is there a legal non-profit that could take over funds collection.
     
  • What will be the costs of fulfilling landmark designation?
     
  • Political figures?
     
  • Orange County  Chambers of Commerce?
     
  • The entire State of California stands to benefit by a national hang glider historical landmark.
     
  • The landmark will bring visitors.
     
  • Otto Lilienthal entry to California to bring renaissance in personal aviation.  
     
  • Sale of facsimile of plaque as souvenir of visit to the site.
     
  • Local stores to carry such plus tee-shirts, books, photographs. Someone can get things goings to serve visitors. 
      
  • The local stores could carry brochures for Wills Wing, for Windsports, for Torrey Pines.  
     
  • Aviation field trips ...be sure to see where personal aviation renaissance punctuated itself in the world, in US, in California, in Orange County, in Newport Beach, in the neighborhood. Many levels of benefactors. Six geo-political-economic levels.
     
  • Then add institutional benefactors: local schools will have a place to visit while facing science, aviation, personal creativity.  
     
  • What foundation might fund the project? 
     
  • They will want a description of needs, an action plan, and budget. They will want to know how society will benefit by another landmark
     
  • John Wayne Airport could get more business if the aviation landmark was set.  The airport could even benefit because of a strong virtual plaque.
     
  • Local motels, hotels, restaurants, etc. stand to benefit from the project.
     
  • Project logo?
     
  • Project letterhead
     
  • Project advertising spaces. Funds to the project.  Advertise on the Virtual Plaque pages.
  • Volunteer communications angels posting in their various online groups?
     
  • Exposure of the the exact steps needed to get landmark status. What are the steps?
     
  • Collaboration with all hang gliding clubs and associations of the world. All of them stand on benefits from the Otto Meet 1971. All could play important parts in getting the Virtual Plaque and Landmark Plaque accomplished.
     
  • Include a stop to the Landmark on hang glider trips.
     
  • Donation levels?  Platinum, Diamond, Gold, Silver, Bronze, ?   Stork, Eagle, etc. ? Stork in honor of Otto and his brother?
     
  • Invite the world of PPG as it has received lift from the Otto Meet 1971.
     
  • The Otto Meet 1971 is also giving lift to the world of clean energy.
     
  • A private file (not knowing yet how to have manners with regard to pledges) has been posted with the funding pledges of some we have a beginning. No specified budget yet and no avenue yet for covering expenditures. Oversight with budget glass pockets via collaboration will be exercised when the time comes to buy some postage stamps or bronze plaque metal, etc. Thank you for you listing and for your personal funding pledge.
     
  • Pledges from others will be toward the physical landmark project only; I will not take any pledged funds for the Virtual Plaque. There will be no spending for wages for anyone; all time inputs will be volunteer time.  ~JoeF
     
  • Perhaps there will be a ceremony sponsored by the City.
    Perhaps as you indicated, such could "fix" a point in time and place.
    Perhaps an assembly other than that need not be organized, but only described as a public option with people choosing to picnic on public park property and choosing to walk the streets in memory appreciation. We could well describe the public park opportunity without actually calling an assembly. The call would be the announcement of the plaque ceremony that would be announced and done by City politicos. We would get our target of installation. And the natural social flight community could choose public park right to simply picnic; we would recognize each other. Kites, flying models, look in the eye. Maybe before it occurs some entrepreneur could sell tee shirts for the Otto Meet 1971 through the mail. Wearing such would identify those who got that far with the aura. No official assembly besides the City doing a commemoration; some politico will want the press attention, etc. ???
     
  • Today I conceived an idea of – multiple sculptings adorning the park as one walks through. Such art work sculptings could be the afterward of our initial plan here. Sculptings I envision possible: 
    • Jack Lambie arm pit high tippy toe in Hang Loose with sun glasses –(Bronze) life size.
    • Batso with tip runners escorting pilot Taras or Tom Dickenson leaping-bronze life size.
    • These could be set in grass and appear to be frozen in place – not atop a stone block.  But almost flash frozen segments of a time warp- tribute to the place –and the time-                   ~~Neil Larson         May 13, 2010
    • [Ed:  Neil, consider a sculpture of Richard Miller (R.I.P.) in the high aspect ratio flying wing that echoes earlier and later flying wings for hang gliding and small powered aircraft.]
       
  • David Actor -22 year old college student (1971)*flew yellow green Jib Sail kite *page 288 of National Geographic,  Feb 1972 -source of fact-
    also from same magazine -  attended -  Katherine Kiceniuk  and  Steve Elliott      ~~Neil Larson
     
  • This reminds me about an old bi-plane hang glider my dad Howard helped restore in 1958~1959 in Elmira, NY. It was called an Arnot glider and resembled the Octave Chanute bi-plane.

    At age 10, I thought this was the most interesting way to fly and helped assemble it in the first Soaring Museum display at the Strathmont Estates in Elmira.

    Not until 1971, did a group of young sailplane pilots build a Hang loose, me included and proceeded to fly it to destruction.

    I'll try and dig up a photo of the 1971 effort.

    Bob Trampenau
     
  • As the project matures, it will become evident that there will be raw expenditures that will overcome Neil Larson; and many of us want to be there to help cover the raw expenses. Collaborative oversight with JoeF and others and an open glass-pockets reporting by assisting arm of Hang Glider Magazine in these hosted pages will bring some order to this process.   We seek pledges and ideas for covering the expenses.  One idea that came in is the sponsoring of Next Thermal persons' names for the Virtual Plaque. We do not yet know the limitations for the physical landmark plaque.
     
  • Here is one way the sponsored-Next-Thermal-name might work:   For each $5 amount placed in a PayPal button process with a note of the name sponsored, the amount publicly next to that name will be increased (posted so within 24 hrs of the payment). The paying person can check that the total behind the sponsored name has been increased appropriately without supporter's identity being revealed to the public. Neil Larson and Joe Faust will collaboratively know the raw facts. Full public disclosure of funds (but not the identities of the Next Thermal donators) will be in these pages. The specific spending of the funds will be shown. Again, no one will be paid wages. How does this sound?  
     
  • http://www.californialandmarks.com/links.html
  • http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/listed_resources/
  • http://ohp.parks.ca.gov/listed_resources/?view=county&criteria=30 
  • National Register
  • California State Historical Landmark
  • http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=24504  FAQ
  • Historic preservation has four essential components:
    • identification 
    • evaluation 
    • registration 
    • protection 
  • http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=1056
  • F.A.A  responded soon and eventually gave special respect to hang gliding.
  • Leading aerodynamicist Bruce Carmichael, Irv Culver, Paul MacCready
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October 26, 2010, Neil Larson, hang gliding historian came up with some important working data:

Here is a list of possible “help” and assistance –
Found through the WWW -
Christian Pilots Association (CPA), Newport Beach
http://www.ocsoaring.org/  Orange County Soaring Club-
http://www.ocair.com/  John Wayne Airport
Sunrise Acrobatics – http://www.aerobats.com/
at John Wayne Airport – Call at 800 717-4200
http://206.126.142.92/@la-fly.htm#hist  -Mega web page with lots of Aviation links
http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb15/
National Register Fact Sheet
Bulletin 7: California Register Nomination Instructions




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