Paul Montville a scapegoat for the BOD's own arrogance, IMO.
They will now re-arrange the deck chairs.
It's deja vu all over again.

Joe, thanks for starting this forum.

   Yes, in the past 10yr, the ushpa has been so distracted by "string controlled"
interests that hang gliding has really suffered in this area, another decade
wasted.
   Today I have 3 very interested beginners to mentor.   We don't have the best
training equipment. The nearest hg instructor is in Mexico,  somewhere, eating
Margarita.
   Am I promoting my area?  Yes, because we have superior hang gliding
conditions, but very few hg pilots!!.

Voice of SW Tx,
Sam

--- In HGAofAmerica@yahoogroups.com, HGAofAmerica-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Leave the "string'controlled" gliders to build their USPGA or USPA.
>
> Focus of HGAA proposed: frame-controlledg hand gliders.
>
> What say you?
>

Thanks Joe,

    Now I understand!!  Man, if I could just win the lotto.

   We flew today.  Our payout winch is a POS.  Can't get good climbs.
Once we get a good payout winch working, everyone is welcome to come to SW Tx. 
Beautiful cloud streets all last week.

   Thanks Joe.  Thanks BobK.

   Yes, there's plenty fruit still on the tree that the other Assn has
overlooked.  Some of the best fruit.  If HGAA recognizes the overlooked areas,
the other Assn. will look like a blind squirrel hunting acorns.

Voice of SW Tx,
Sam
USHGA #16016
Torrey Hawks
HGAA

--- In HGAofAmerica@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Faust" <editor@...> wrote:
>
>
> Some help on relating this to hang gliding is invited.
>
> During hang gliding discourse a mothering idea generator might be
> removed after she gives birth to a baby idea while just the baby
> remains. However, that same mother might birth another and another baby;
> and the mother may be good for breast feeding the baby; the separation
> may or may not be best for the baby.
>
> For example, BobK generated a baby; BobK was banned from directly
> nurturing the baby at the first crib. However, the baby might move to a
> non-SG-crib to receive nurturing from BobK and a robust gathering of
> hang gliding village people, perhaps partly here in this forum with its
> tools.       The baby now in SG's hands will grow with a certain shape
> and structure.   But what may not have been noticed is that twins were
> born; two or more babies are extant; the babies may grow to be quite
> distinct in personality and perhaps serve factions of the American hang
> gliding population.
>

Hello Hello!!
Hi Sam,
dateSat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:26 PM
subjectUS Hawks HGA
mailed-bygmail.com


We have agreed to merge and migrate to
USHawks HGA

http://ushawks.org/forum1/
We invite you to join the conversation there.
Best of lift to you and yours,
Joe Faust
USHawk#005

Leave the "string'controlled" gliders to build their USPGA or USPA.

Focus of HGAA proposed: frame-controlledg hand gliders.

What say you?

And some may aim to specialize in "Skid Hang Gliding" or "Skidding."   SHG

Skid designing is invited. One direction is the primary-glider direction. Another direction is the Faust-TCF-skid design that prevent sthe feet of the TCF from ground gouging on downwind downslope landings; special harness fronts can be involved in variations of skidding techniques.    Not wheels, as they have too narrow of interface with some ground textures. Broad-faced sleds and skids!

The thread invites on-topic comment.  

Think: ski, sled, skid .... over rocks and brush.

 
Bermuda Petrel (Pterodroma cahow) Thought extinct, it surfaced again. Legendary extinct bird was not extinct!

Possible mascot for members of HGAA.

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/Cahow

http://www.oceanwanderers.com/BermudaPet.html

Some help on relating this to hang gliding is invited.

During hang gliding discourse a mothering idea generator might be
removed after she gives birth to a baby idea while just the baby
remains. However, that same mother might birth another and another baby;
and the mother may be good for breast feeding the baby; the separation
may or may not be best for the baby.

For example, BobK generated a baby; BobK was banned from directly
nurturing the baby at the first crib. However, the baby might move to a
non-SG-crib to receive nurturing from BobK and a robust gathering of
hang gliding village people, perhaps partly here in this forum with its
tools.       The baby now in SG's hands will grow with a certain shape
and structure.   But what may not have been noticed is that twins were
born; two or more babies are extant; the babies may grow to be quite
distinct in personality and perhaps serve factions of the American hang
gliding population.

Instructor, Tom Galvin, makes good points on this subject at the other group
that routinely throws out founding members.
==============================Quote start:
Re: Hope
by TomGalvin » Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:26 am

I would ask that the HGAA focus on growing and supporting the sport of hang
gliding, not just by duplicating programs at the USHPA, but rather supplementing
them. What does the USHPA do poorly? What is the low hanging fruit? How can you
energize the pilot population today, in a program that will grow organically,
naturally, among hang glider pilots? Something that you can start now, without
incorporation, bylaws, byzantine voting schemes, or a perfect chain of command.
How can you share the joy of this sport?     TomGalvin

Posts: 1
Joined: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:07 am

=====================================End quote.

Tom's suggestions happen to coincide with ideas I've tried to forward over the
years, and that is to support/subsidize instructors in making it as painless as
possible for new students. This idea has been rejected and censored by a lot of
people for some time now because of the 'what's in it for me' factor and other
issues. Pilots can be such a selfish lot.. but maybe not so much worse than the
general populace? At least not all of them... I'm a dreamer..

Anyway the idea/goal was free or subsidized infrastructure and support to
deserving instructors that aren't able to scrape up the coins needed to
accomplish what they could be doing, given the opportunity.

A few years ago I had a 160-acre private ex-municipal airport lined up that was
now a skydiving operation. There was plenty room to share and they were open to
new business. I had a tug and time to donate, and there was no real instruction
for hundreds of miles. The idea was squashed at many levels. Now I wonder if
it's too late..

The day is getting late and I need to get some work done, so later..
Free USHGA

They tossed her out, and kept the baby

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