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April 13, 2020, post by Dave Santos kPower Windsled Concept Ideal kPower market, not crowded, good wind: |
April 11, 2020, post by Upper Windpower: Note: highlight added by editor. Hello Dave, thanks so much for all these inputs (and Marco's). We are in the process of "digesting" them :)
I believe your ideas could very well fit in for windsled’s mid term planning (after the big Antarctic campaign):
We were just about to undergo this 7K km Antarctic circumnavigation expedition in 20/21, tying in all major east Antarctic plateau research stations (check attached), but, of course, it has been pushed back to 21/22 due to these unfortunate CV circumstances we are all enduring.
In any case, the agenda was supposed to look like this:
DATES Official presentation (with media) 1st October 2020 Departure Europe 1st November 2020 Return to Europe 25th February 2021
And the itinerary will be this one: Novolazarevskaya Station 70° 46′ 36.34″ S, 11° 49′ 20.48″ E South Pole, Amundsen-Scott station, elevation 2635 m, 89° 59′ 51.19″ S, 139° 16′ 22. Concordia station 3233 m, 75° 5′ 59.21″ S, 123° 19′ 55. Vostok station 3488 m, 78° 27′ 50″ S, 106° 50′ 15.25″ Dome A 4093 m, 80° 22′ 0″ S, 77° 21′ 0″ E Dome F 3810 m Novolazarevskaya Station
At arrival windsled will have a temp of -60 deg C, and going towards a more manageable -35 deg C as they head to the South Pole. Less S&T projects will be carried this time due to the complexity of the campaign and the distance involved.
In the interim, I guess we can develop!
Pls all take extreme precautions with the CV virus situation we have at hand. Cheers, Carin Eve Cole The Inuit WindSled Project Science & Technology Programs Coordination 00 (34) 650 084 850-Madrid, Spain. Skype: Eve Cole
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April 10, 2020, post by Dave Santos More notes about AWE-driven ice cap conservation-
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April 5, 2020, post by Dave Santos Another possible kite-power method is to pump up or divert meltwater undermining the Greenland cap, to spread it out for refreezing in the winter. Instead of plowing, perhaps swales and dams (and shelters) could be frozen into place by pumping meltwater. Windsled probably already knows the scientists that can judge the required ice dynamics. In principle, the wind offers enough energy for vast geoengineering projects, and the AWE community can provide impressive theoretic numbers to the mix. ICC- Ice Cap Conservation, a starting set of theoretic methods, with power kite networks as a promising basis. Its an open question if Ice Cap Loss can be reversed by any in-place intervention. Other benefits may include stabilizing the Gulf Stream from meltwater cold. This may be a multi-century challenge. =============================== April 5, 2020, post by Carin Eve COLE And will discuss these ideas with the team, to get back to you ASAP on it. thanks again! ========= April 5, 2020, post by Dave Santos To conserve Ice Caps consider Contour Plowing slopes by kite sled to closely catch melting ice by day, that refreezes by night, greatly slowing run-off to the sea. Keep ice upslope as long as possible. A large kite sled could plow 100 miles a day or so, to catch huge amounts of surface melt over a summer. This intervention by itself might tip the balance to preserve icecaps. This could be the paying basis of Ice Kite Civilization, the world sends food and pays for operations. The fast changing ice cap surface is not conservable as such. Scratching it to preserve it could create new fossil layers marking where the intervention was done. Schematic Ice Cap Concept (actual catchment furrows would be widely spaced on gentle slopes)- TC - Stopping the flood: could we use targeted geoengineering to mitigate sea level rise? See images in the article. ======== April 5, 2020, post by Carin Eve COLE This is great thank you Dave! have you seen this? Two audacious plans for saving the world's ice sheets and concerning ice dynamics: Princeton University and the glaciology department is mentioned in this link and I know some scientists up at the laboratory and people at the Corporate engagement/ Foundation relations office... Im sure they would be interested :) Other folks also like East Grip in Greenland working on the NEGIS (north eastern greenland 600 km ice stream)...also Ed adds links: > sensitivity of the Northeast Greenland Ice Stream to Geothermal Heat > IMAGE Ed adds article: > EastGRIP - The East Greenland Ice-core Project > IMAGE > https://geosciences.princeton.edu/research/climate-science --------------------------------- Dave Santos adds: Here is another key reference- Geoengineer polar glaciers to slow sea-level rise AWE is definitely the vastest, cheapest, and most sustainable energy source available in remote Polar regions. WindSled has even proved this in practice. Enough kite actually removes excess atmospheric energy. Impeding catabatic warming is possible. Drilling and operating tunnels for supercooled brine is a huge challenge. Presumably, winter cold could do the super-cooling in large shallow ponds, but the brine must not be allowed to contaminate freshwater ice. This seems to be a key reference for coastal glacier ice-shelf conservation by "pinning" and damming- TC - Stopping the flood: could we use targeted geoengineering to mitigate sea level rise? See images in the article. ========================= |
April 5, 2020, post by Dave Santos Contour Plowing to Conserve Ice Caps? Another possible kite-power method is to pump up or divert meltwater undermining the Greenland cap, to spread it out for refreezing in the winter. Instead of plowing, perhaps swales and dams (and shelters) could be frozen into place by pumping meltwater. Windsled probably already knows the scientists that can judge the required ice dynamics. In principle, the wind offers enough energy for vast geoengineering projects, and the AWE community can provide impressive theoretic numbers to the mix. ICC- Ice Cap Conservation, a starting set of theoretic methods, with power kite networks as a promising basis. Its an open question if Ice-Cap Loss can be reversed by any in-place intervention. Other benefits may include stabilizing the Gulf Stream from meltwater cold. This may be a multi-century challenge. |
Hello David, I see you are greatly inspired, what a bunch of terrific ideas, ice cap countour plowing too! And I agree totally with all of them. At the least, I want to go do some melt-water channel plugging and lots of dark snow ash-layer scraping and removal (as in a big icy back yard :), to help increase albedo to subsequently reflect that radiation, or lots more, back into space again... A
different story is implementing citizen science and civic attitudes and
ideas. I mean if you visit an icecap as a conventional tourist, the
possibility of performing eco services or data acquisition (apart from
looking, walking around and taking pics), is (should be) enticing! But
also depending on how mature the citizen science concept is in a given
country...Marco, I heard lots of people in Italy are performing such
initiatives now, like measuring air quality, since decreed
quarantine. Is this correct? This is definitely the attitude! Pls take care, kind regards, Carin Eve Cole The Inuit WindSled Project Science & Technology Programs Coordination 00 (34) 650 084 850-Madrid, Spain. Skype: Eve Cole Sustainable Polar Science at: |
April 4, 2020, post by Dave
Santos Colonizing Ice Caps With WindSled Tribes? === early draft statement === A paradox of our time is that kite-power (AWE) is opening up the ice caps, even as they begin to melt. With enough AWE, we can be "Polar Polynesians", if you will. Kite sleds on the major ice caps could become as big as ships, or form large fleets. An new kind of civilization could develop. The key to colonizing ice caps en masse with WindSled Tribes is a sustainable economic basis. Ecotourism is not ideal unless "tourists" do productive scientific or logistical support. Initially, there is a bit of real exploration left, and a lot of pioneering operational research. KGM and kPower are helping develop electrical AWE concepts. There are possible eco-services, like combating soot-darkened ice by scaping, or damming or plugging meltwater drains lubricating glacial movement. Maybe even regenerating ice by spreading meltwater back out to refreeze. Kites could in principle do the work, but its unknown how useful or just how eco work may be. Contour plowing ice-capped slopes to catch melting ice by day, which refreezes by night, greatly slowing run-off: a large kite sled could plow 100 miles a day or so, to catch huge amounts of surface melt. Keep the ice upslope as long as possible. This intervention by itself might tip the balance to preserve icecaps. This could be the paying basis of Ice Kite Civilization, the world sends food and pays for operations. Operating an Inuit WindSled on the Caps is already proven. The bare capital cost of sled, rig, and kit is low, with a single polar delivery to get started. The lifecycle problem is an effective food import supply chain. Passively frozen food eases the diet challenge. [to be continued] ============ Glaciers and Icecaps |
March 20, 2020, post by Dave
Santos Have
been watching old Inuit docu films. What a genius-engineering
civilization, based on little more than rock, water, ice, bone,
driftwood, skin, and sinew; in the most extreme conditions. They were
always laughing, at the edge of survival. Many groups thought they were
the only people on Earth because they had evolved so far beyond
everyone else.
The
kids played outside all winter, under the Northern Lights and Moon. The
games in the igloo were incredible, like cat's cradle complexities too
fast to follow, and weird body games of all kinds. They were not just
sleeping away time. Even the oil lamps were super complex, from
single-flame pilot mode to multi-flame cooking burner. They built
family igloos close together, then built a large social igloo in the
middle, then broke open common walls to make huge ice palaces.
I
think they must have had kites at times. The Salish to the South had
fishing paravanes for river fishing. Odd big kayak hats were kite-like
wings that would have boosted speeds or reduced drag even close to the
wind.
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March 20, 2020, post by Dave
Santos Its
great to extend current WindSled capability, but the polar kite world
will thank us for looking ahead, to upwind sled capability and 100kmhr
speeds. I will be testing 1/20 scale models, already under construction
using windshield-wiper rocker-bogey mechanisms.
Ansar
Anders, is a longtime online friend. We are both long expert in cold
tech nomadic design. He is an ice wind
speed record specialist Swedish Royal Academy savant. Very
lucky too, I grew up skiing constantly, mostly in Colorado, starting at
age 6, downhill and cross-country, also skating, winter expeditionary
alpinism, and cold-water sea-kayaking.
For
estimating polar EV battery performance, we rely on published
temperature/power specifications. Early WindSled EV success will be
based on operational expertise from persistent beta-testing, no
ease-of-use yet possible.
How
would you design an upwind windsled? Why wait to
consider the engineering required? WindSled has already shared many key
lessons with designers. I
think the lashed-wood construction already proven could be applied. Time
to move forward, not wait.
The design principle for windsleds is similarly adjustable ice-blades scaled-up. Common Polar surfaces will be crusty ice, snow, slush, and more rarely smooth ice. A long conventional ski or snowboard metal edge and HDPE surface, with ice-blades in reserve, will serve. Human
legs are fantastic shock absorbers. The wood leaf-spring rocker-bogey
runner ice-proa concept is intended to allow high-speed rough-surface
performance, in relative habitat comfort.
One
reason for long runners is crevasse
and sea-ice safety, by spread low-impact surface loading. A boat
capability would be great for sea-ice, useless on large ice-caps.
When
we use "ice" here, its mainly as in "polar ice cap" ice surfaces, not
smooth "inland water" ice.
Ed adds:upwind
on ice
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March 18, 2020, post by Dave
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October 5,
2019 Dave Santos ExplorersWeb.com- "Now this is kiting"; Polar Exploring with Inuit Windsled Most detailed coverage yet of AWE's historic polar nomadic homesteads, having already covered many thousands of km, with millions to go. Solo adventurers also use kites these days. Adding electrical generation to the NPW traction power is currently under development. That news soon- Now, This is Kiting! |
Sept. 21,
2019 Dave Santos Inuit Windsled Program integrating into AWE Community Having proven itself as a kite-based solution in its Polar domain, the Windsled concept and team will be featured at AWEC2019, bringing the venerable NPW into prominence in the midst of all the other wing types- AWE alternative to conventional logistics in Polar Regions Pioneering AWE homesteading on land, ice, or sea is proving far more dynamic and nomadic than the previous wind model of fixed remote homesteading with a tower-based turbine. |
Sept. 21,
2019 Dave Santos Windsled Diary- New Kite Lifestyle being perfected Amazing progress of the newest most sustainable way of Polar exploring, by means of kites, with more than two tons of habitat pulled over 200km/day, up to 35km/hr with as little as a 10m2 kite or as big as 150m2. Lots of great operational details being worked out. As predicted by kPower, kite-quiver practice is finding power kites last many years in like-new condition, but watch out for suddenly rising wind conditions that can cause too much kite to be flying, and then it gets rather dramatic. Rag-and-String is real kite power; more hands-on sailing-in-the-sky than robotic drones. A single Windsled or Shipkite voyage clearly harvests far more AWE than all existing high-complexity prototypes put together. Expedition diary 2018/2019 |