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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8377 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8378 From: dave santos Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8379 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8380 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8381 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8382 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8383 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8384 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: EnerKite Takes the Lead in the AWES "Reeling" Concept-Space

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8385 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Line-Handling for Reeling Tutorial

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8386 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8387 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8388 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Kite-line WECs, line WECs

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8389 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8390 From: brooksdesign Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Direct Testing Encampment //Re: [AWES] Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8391 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8392 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Direct Testing Encampment //Re: [AWES] Arch multirotor

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8393 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: EnerKite Takes the Lead in the AWES "Reeling" Concept-Space

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8394 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8395 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Your neighbor, Jennifer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8396 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8397 From: John Adeoye Oyebanji Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Fw: NewsREEEP January 2013: 3.95 million Euros for 28 clean energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8398 From: dave santos Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Kite Interference Theorem //Re: [AWES] Re: Long stroke twinned kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8399 From: dave santos Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8400 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8401 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8402 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8403 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Kite Interference Theorem //Re: [AWES] Re: Long stroke twinned kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8404 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8405 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8406 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8407 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Japanese AWE ///Re: [AWES] Re: Duke Energy as ....

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8408 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8409 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8412 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8413 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8414 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Stalinist AWE Propaganda (Collector's Edition)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8415 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8416 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8417 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8418 From: Rod Read Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8419 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8420 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8421 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8422 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8423 From: John Adeoye Oyebanji Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Fw: Call for Innovations - The Commercialization Event of the Year!

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8424 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8425 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: cooperative green energy share offer website

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8426 From: harry valentine Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Google investing in Green Energy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8427 From: dave santos Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Fraunhofer Mentoring Three Different AWE Starts (connect-the-dots)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8428 From: dave santos Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Fraunhofer as "3rd party R&D evaluator" of Global AWE R&D




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8377 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor
Multiply and let fellow arches help in the spreading effort: 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8378 From: dave santos Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor
Joe,

That's brilliant, that a single anchor in deep water can host a long kite bridle underwater, with a naturally spreading megascale kite arch above water able to rotate to face any direction. This looks like a real offshore AWES conceptual breakthrough.

The added kite trains are not required, if the arch is closely controllable. An arch naturally creates spreading force, just as a sled kite does. A floating platform at each side can support kite handling and energy operations.

daveS

PS Noting your CC IP for this idea...
 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8379 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor


"Another question - must the kite arch lift the beam as well as the turbines ?" no.
"And - does the beam have to be rigid enough to counter the force of an arch pulling like mad?"In fact this installation is mainly for a floating system where tethers linking the spar to the anchor upwind work as counterforce.
"Which brings me back to: how do you make such an impressive +/- 40 meter beam?" Idem,the spar can be large enough if it has tethers linking the anchor.

 

PierreB




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8380 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor


JoeF,

 

This design could be an important improvement.Where are Superturbines?On the tether at sea level?

 

PierreB



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8381 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 1/7/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor


Superturbines and Arch can work together offshore.

 

Upwind towards downwind:

1) anchor and pivot

2) tethers from pivot to floating spar,as counterforce

3) Super Turbines and two ends of Arch fixed on the spar
4) The top end of each Super Turbine fixed on the same Arch or one Superturbine for one Arch several times  (from JoeF' design).

 

The spar is needed to carry the installation;the tethers beetween spar and pivot (see 1) allow any dimensions for the spar which also can be not rigid.But test and see.

 

PierreB 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8382 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor
Options during sleep, as I was concerned with freedom of traveling boats and ship with regard to the tension spreader: 




Yes: CC IP
~JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8383 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Arch multirotor
Not shown are option of WECs hanging from arch kite.
Note in post of today that there is room to hang and anchor the draping WECs between arch and the aerialized tension spreader line. No sea-surface beam in these options.

JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8384 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: EnerKite Takes the Lead in the AWES "Reeling" Concept-Space
We have seen many AWE efforts come and go, for lack of practical kite mastery and aerospace depth. EnerKite represents the highest level of aeronautical engineering talent, and has lately emerged as a top player in AWE. They are working in the soft-kite "reeling" concept-space shared by WindLift, TUDleft, SkySails, and KiteGen (Ampyx's glider-plane is in its own reeling realm).

A few observations-

EnerKite's EK30 30kW demonstrator seemed to outclass the TUDelft 20kW unit at a joint fly at Valkenburg last Spring.

FlySurfer power-kite excellence is evident in Enerkite's wings.

They have many top connections, including Fraunhofer. Is this related to the NTS-Fraunhofer partnership?

The management advocates transparency and shared R&D as philosophical and commercial advantages.

They early-on provided for aviation conspicuity by day or night (red/white kites and nav lights)

They have top kite credentials in the team DNA. Christian Gebhardt even holds a kite speed record.

I got to meet EnerKite's CEO, Dr. Alexander Bormann, at Leuven 2011. His focus and clarity was evident in the midst of so much venture hype and technical uncertainty.

EnerKite does not have certain disadvantages that other "reeling" teams do. No military oversight, academic obligations, or high capital-cost/burn-rate errors are holding them back. They will need every advantage in a crowded small-scale AWES market serving a very uncertain customer base. SkySails could blow away the reel-space competition with a larger-scale product.

The major challenge on the horizon is if the KiteLab Group predicted AWE paradigm shift leaves the reeling architecture behind. If so, EnerKite may have the "agile engineering" culture to make the jump.

All the reeling schemes except SkySails seem to lack convincing auto launch and land methods. In common practice, the kite lines are first drawn out downwind and a "kite buddy" (human) does the launch and secures the kite on landing.




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8385 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Line-Handling for Reeling Tutorial
A reel is a simple machine, cheap and easy to make. Complexity arises in the details of optimal kite line handling on and off its storage reel.*

A basic requirement is that a reeling system must not damage line unduly. This is not easy when line experiences high forces. A shock absorbing stage is common, the ordinary fishing-pole is the model for engineered "dipping booms". Fairleads are of smooth large-radius eyes, or ideally rollers in high-duty line handling. Special "chafing gear" in the form of braided sleeves, or heavier line sections, protect key wear points.

Static line load is commonly maintained on the storage reel, as in a basic winch, or if needed, a separate capstan stage commonly isolate the kite winching loads from the reel. An optimal capstan is a trade between a practical radius scale and line wear. An ideal capstan bearing surface is tough yet soft, like hard rubber. A bull-wheel is the kindest sort of capstan to high-duty line, but too bulky in many design cases.

Line is wound onto reels two basic ways. A Level-Winder is a shuttling mechanism that winds the line evenly onto the storage reel. Level-winders are common on fishing reels, yet expert fishermen often promptly remove the mechanism so they can manually wind line on, guiding with the thumb. This allows the expert lower drag in paying out line and numerous subtle advantages as the thumb acts as sensor and brake. The key secret is to wind the line on under tension with a high criss-crossing factor. This keeps the line from jamming into itself on the reel under high loads. The fisherman unconsciously increases criss-cross when spooling** on looser line. Level winders are not so flexible.

Note that a load carrying storage reel lowers its "gear ratio" usefully as the kite rises higher into more powerful wind. This is a true CVT, stone-age style. Mechanical advantage can even be varied by playing the line with the thumb on different parts of a barrel shaped line spooling. 

All this is just introduction to engineered reeling; endless refinements are possible. The most advanced AWES reeling method might be to duplicate the expert fisherman, even by a "robotic thumb", to thereby better play the kite while also maximizing line life.

CC BY NC SA

* Line is also sometimes stored loose in a bag or bin. NTS/Fraunhower opted for this method in its early prototype. Handling is simplified, but at a greater risk of a snarl, especially if the loose mass is shaken.

** Lets define spooling as the specific form that line takes wound on a storage reel.
 




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8386 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Long stroke twinned kites
again, just checking, has the system been discussed / slated?

The return (not generating, de-powered) phase of a long stroke single kite system is typically faster than the powering out stroke phase.
Such as the TU Delft laddermill say

Controlling the kite on the return is tricky.

Instead, if one tether connects two kites and is looped once around a large bullwheel. The returning kite can be set so that it's tether tension stops slippage on the bullwheel. Whilst the outgoing kite is driving as hard as it can, it pulls the returning kite back and generates.

It's more Complicated, and covers more land, but would surely cut down on the amount of phased downtime in generation.

The bullwheel axis would need to actively move back and sideways from vertical to match the tethering.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8387 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites
Of course fairleads and dipping booms would negate active bullwheel tipping ... ooops

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8388 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Kite-line WECs, line WECs
laundry, kite laundry, kite laundry WECs, line WECs

Have lifting kite system wings (take your pick).  The tether set may be seen as a collection of trunks from which branch lines hold laundry and  WECs.  Yes, hang out wet clothes laundry to dry. Have message flags broadcasting messages as line laundry. Air dry certain goods.   Let a multitude of WECs branch out from the system's tether set.  Want to give an alpha angle for a series of multiple rotating blades that turn electric generators? 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8389 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites

  • http://www.energykitesystems.net/0/Twind/index.html  has some discussion. 
  • We have not mastered or detailed working twin systems in the open-text community yet.
  • One twin-system described in the launching of hang gliders where the kite hang glider is one of the two wing sets.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8390 From: brooksdesign Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Direct Testing Encampment //Re: [AWES] Arch multirotor
Yes need to buy property since the point is to have a full time dedicated site with biz plan. The plan is to prove or disprove the economic viability of managing systems that require a lot of operational upkeep(hence the need for live in operators). This is not meant as a few people to come out to"Visit" to do a day of testing ideas and then go home and call it a success. Success will be determined by a full years worth of data to see which designs are worth the trouble or would it be less hassle just to sit on a generator bike and peddle power the same amount the operators would do just running around the field chasing down the line snags and relaunching kites. A few seconds of video from a long day of running around does not prove a successful biz model.
-brooks
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8391 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites
The quick answer regarding this architecture is that it doubles the flying critical failure-points. If one kite fails, the other is idled. Its probably better to maintain two single kite units with reliable spring return or flywheel mass to buffer the cycle.

Its still a workable scheme worth exploring for hidden lessons in passive synchrony. The kites need to be spaced wider than any practical bull-wheel, so a spreader stage with cornerblocks is needed. A variant is a rocker-bar (T-bar) with two short-stroke kites attached. Perhaps two toy flapping bird kites, such as Gayla sells, would inverse-synch (flip-flop) if attached to a shared rocker-bar, "as simple as that".
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8392 From: dave santos Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: Direct Testing Encampment //Re: [AWES] Arch multirotor
Brooks,

Our man, Roy Taylor (and his wife) own the Hay Farm, and he invites us all to live there and hack energy. Its even a real airfield for small planes. We put an Util RV there and lived for weeks last summer. There are two existing households, with electrical need, and live-in expert farm help, to keep anything working. The hay is an energy crop as well (biogas and char).

So if you want to act on your plan without the trouble and delay of land acquisition and attracting worthy tenants, this is an ideal set-up. Perhaps a visit (with Ed) to scout it would help you get excited. You could even buy the farm (Taylor is a real horse-trader) if you insist, and sell it back when you get bored or desperate for liquidity. This is not really about who owns what.

You and Taylor would be a real pair of characters,

daveS
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8393 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/8/2013
Subject: Re: EnerKite Takes the Lead in the AWES "Reeling" Concept-Space
A 2012 chapter for the Kite Energy book from EnerKite is solicited for linking from 

We have linked this topic thread on that page.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8394 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites
It's only just after new year ... hold on a second...
Why do the tethers need to be widely spaced?
If one flies off to the right one to the left..
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8395 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Your neighbor, Jennifer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8396 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Long stroke twinned kites
V for veer; yes, that gives opportunity.
But as the rule goes, if it can tangle, it will. 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8397 From: John Adeoye Oyebanji Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Fw: NewsREEEP January 2013: 3.95 million Euros for 28 clean energy
I particularly want to emphasize this Agricultural focus within subject below:
"
Powering agriculture:
Call for proposals open from 15 January to 6 February 2013
The United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the Government of Sweden, and Duke Energy Corporation are inviting proposals to respond to Powering Agriculture: An Energy Grand Challenge for Development Competition. Individual awards between US$300,000 and $1.5 million will be made, with a total disbursement of US$10-20 million.

more at http://www.poweringag.org/

"

Any ready/willing AWES team(s) - Water Pumping/Irrigation, Electricity Generation, Bird Scaring, etc. ?

Further lifts.
JohnO
John Adeoye Oyebanji
CEO, Hardensoft International Limited
FundNopolis Representative -
Nigeria & West-Africa
President-protem, Airborne Wind Energy Industry Association (AWEIA International)

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R20 conference in Vienna
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8398 From: dave santos Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Kite Interference Theorem //Re: [AWES] Re: Long stroke twinned kite

 
Rod asked- "Why do the tethers need to be widely spaced?"


There is an early KiteLab Kite Interference Theorem- If the scope of  neighboring kites overlaps, then eventually the kites will interfere, despite controls (Loosely- "If they can interfere, they will interfere.").

Some AWES Farm design teams understand this, and design fully spaced kite cells, others worry about sprawl, and hope that some overlap is allowable. Neither approach is optimal.

The true solution is to cross-link kites aloft to constrain them more deterministically (arches, meshes, and 3D lattices). This approach emerged from Kite Showmen, Dave Gomberg and Peter Lynn, needing to do major international kite shows in often crowded spaces. They got tired of interference and learned to string their large theme kites on short leaders along an arch line set aloft, such that the kites cannot cross each other.

Interfering kites saw at each others' lines, causing runaway kites. Runaway is the worst historical kite failure-mode, since major damage can be caused at great distances from the kite field. Railroads, shipping, power-grids, and communications have all been knocked out in the past by runaway kites.



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8399 From: dave santos Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)
In "Powering Agriculture: An Energy Grand Challenge for Development Competition", JohnO has found a potentially ideal opportunity for AWE to incubate small scale agriculture applications. Its worth competing to win, but also smart to try the side-doors for access to funding.

One Competition partner stood out as a potential AWE funding partner; Duke Energy. This private electrical generation holding company is a corporate beast far beyond our current neoliberal Power Utility model (Austin Energy), with enough baseload and peak capacity generation across North, Central, and South America to power twelve New York City sized supercities. Over the years, Duke has been criticized on several counts, but react agilely to resolve conflict, including favoring Cap-and Trade, and generally maintaining a high-profile progressive public persona to cater to their vast client and investor base. This major clout and visibility is why we find them cheek-to-cheek with USAID and Sweden in this "powering-ag" contest.

The side-door method is to reach out to the Duke Energy Board, management, and activist share-holders with an "unsolicited proposal" for Duke to incubate AWE tech as a strategic experiment. The required cost is negligible to such a vast enterprise. Various other large powerful entities have been studied for this role, but few have the electrical market expertise, site networks, and political pressures the world's giant electrical utilities do. A proposal to Duke would serve for approaching other utilities.

Our challenge is to get beyond the fractured AWE small-venture mentality by consolidating into a large global R&D program inclusive of all the best talent (especially academia). This is slowly happening already, but could happen really fast with the right AWES R&D plan and sufficiently large partners-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Energy
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8400 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)
To Duke-proposal leader: 
   ... I'd put in any AWE eggs I have ...into the basket.
~JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8401 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Tube Carts
Tube Carts.

Another toy-ing idea, is using spreading line propulsion for tube carts.

High in the air.

Mount a tubular vehicle to surround twin horizontal lines, the tube at
the RHS.

Pull apart the two ends of the line at the RHS with kites. The vehicle
shoots away from the spreading ends of the line toward the LHS.

You can either ride the carriage directly, use the movement for energy
or

If the carriage has a gap at the bottom and the lines fit rollers you
can transfer the carriage onto the next set of lines.

If the whole shebang is lifted ..So that meshed controllable arch kites
on runners move the lines apart and together

Below the carriage (or carriage set for safety) sling a vine so that you
can swing underneath the carriage like Tarzan from one node to the next
under the kixel jungle canopy.

Roddy

CC3.0
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8402 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)
My hen started laying again the other day.
nice blue ones

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8403 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Kite Interference Theorem //Re: [AWES] Re: Long stroke twinned kite
Beautifully put thanks Dave S

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8404 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/9/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Pull apart the two ends of the lines at the RHS with kites. The vehicle
Sorry for the need to correct that.

So just to re-itterate the top mesh structure is very important for overall lift, containment, mesh catenary tensioning.

If a whole two layer mesh can be loaded with controllable arch surfaces, above layer for lifting and below layer for line seperating and tensioned at it's perimiters

Carts slung below can be used for lifting and dragging objects over the ground

I need to get drawing layers of mesh again..
in the mean time I'll post my latest arch controls stuff on youtube for a clearer picture.



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8405 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
http://youtu.be/IHDjEFwpB3w 

Some very basic arch kite parametrics.
Just the loadpath relationships described so far... but still you can get the jist of where it's going.

Next up, separate side controls, mounting sails of various qualities, applying more physics, 
then attaching each foot to a ropebot.

ropebot (not the iphone android game) a rope riding robot ...
my favourite design idea looks a bit like a caterpillar...
and archable segmented back has a drivable pulley wheel  in each belly area...
The feet on each segment wrap around the rope with skate wheels for toes, (pushing the rope onto the belly wheel)
legs interlock on the far side of the rope.
 a robotic arm with trim winders (more advanced than a tilt-able turntable) on it's back for sail trim.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8406 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Duke Energy as AWES Early Adopter Case (Powering-Ag Competition)
I'd have thought Japanese energy companies to be ideal partners.
Limited land, a government dedicated to green energy but against nuclear, and Nissan has just invested 4bn on electric vehicles.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8407 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Japanese AWE ///Re: [AWES] Re: Duke Energy as ....
Rod,

Japan is a national special case, following Fukushima. We count on the anti-nuke movement to pick up on our work as we continue to progress. The Mothra project is a clear nod to Japanese pop anti-nuke mythology (rather than crass copyright infringement). Kite Master, Mikio Toki, is a top Mothra project fan, but he is more a fun-loving unaffiliated-samurai than a corporate player. 

The Japanese zaibatsus will surely figure in AWE, but its hard for outside Westerners to make anything happen without some deep connection. We have the Deming TQC pass-key in high-tech to try. I sought to revive a Kawasaki heir (quasi-royalty) connection a couple years ago that an Austin friend cultivated, but nothing happened (yet). Our Chinese friends have been tasked with Asia development, but Japan is still only on the to-do list. We lost Trein as Our Man in Kyoto; he is now Our Man in Brazil. The two Iranian students who did some AWE study in Japan were probably regarded as carnival bears, but we can ask them to report. Its far easier to break into Italian Mafia AWE, than crack fortress Japan.

If Japanese AWE developments delay too long, i will activate my retired "Japanese Unclesan" in Hawaii (Roel Gorena), an amazing case of a Mexican-American astronomer who turned Japanese (even to his bathtub, in a live-in Japanese antiquities museum of his creation), embraced by them as their own, as a Zen Master even. Sadly, he decades ago ordered me not to "invade" the island nation for booty, as then planned, but we count on him for sage advice, as the time now warrants.

Prediction- Japan will mobilize suddenly and to great effect in AWE, 

daveS

PS The Duke buzz smoked out some eager players who thought it was a done-deal. Everybody note that we are putting value on upfront sweat-equity work, so get moving if you want to be well positioned (all early AWE work counts). Showing late with hat-in-hand is not a favored strategy.
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8408 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Rod,

Once again, you are on the trail of a very powerful mechanism, but its worth slowing down a tad, thinking and working deeply on the principle in isolation (benchtop experiments), before blurring it as a detail of a larger system. I have been studying this pulley carriage space for about a year as a cheap string mechanical converter and mass driver one step up from the tri-tether in complexity. Just as the simple bow-and-arrow is the closest tri-tether analogue, the compound-bow then adds the pulley dimension we are considering.

Optimal  operation depends on high static tension as a precondition, and so early use is favored rigged from soil anchors and/or surface-based compression beams. As we master these conditions first, the foundation is laid for more dynamic use aloft just as your describe,

daveS
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8409 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8412 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8413 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
JoeF, 

Nice link to a DIY KAP line-shuttle. As we have noted, "kite messengers"  are of high interest to AWES designers in showing how simple power production and other applications can be. 

"Tube Cart" does not really well describe the idea Rod raised. Its a Line Carriage method, and there is no tube involved in our use of the idea. "String Mass-Driver" anyone?

We note the use of a Sutton Flow-Form kite as a pro-choice pilot lifter kite. The hot pink color is just the typical kiter dude's cross-to-bear,

daveS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8414 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Stalinist AWE Propaganda (Collector's Edition)
Not just any garbled voice in the growing AWE echo-chamber, this one is an actual Stalinist Propaganda survivor "Technology Youth" (since 1933), insisting on a weird (for 2012) invocation of Lenin and Stalin as "luminaries of science".

No mention at all of Freeing Pussy Riot with Kites. Lets hope Bolonkin and Kasparov are laughing-

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FLY, FLY ABOVE THE CLOUDS

11/04/2012
Flight path

Tests snake Fraunhofer

Snakes generator EnerKite
Despite the fact that the great German physicist and optician Joseph Fraunhofer (Joseph Fraunhofer) worked in the early XIX century, the memory of it alive to this day, largely thanks to his invention - an ocular micrometer and heliometer, as well as the opening of the absorption lines in the solar spectrum, which now bear his name. His name is also 80 (!) Research institutions in Germany that puts Joseph Fraunhofer alongside such luminaries of science as VI Lenin and JV Stalin. These institutions are united under the "roof" of so-called Fraunhofer Society - the largest research organization in Europe, where 20,000 scientists and engineers engaged mainly applied developments.
One of their developments - format digital encoding MP3 audio information - we use every day. Another, perhaps, many of us will benefit in the near future. Together with the Berlin firm NTS , specializing in the creation of wind turbines, one of the many engineers at the Fraunhofer Institute launched a project to create a "flying power" based on the kite. The idea itself is not original. There are two main types of "kite-wind turbines." System Flygen (from the English Flying generator - «flying generator") uses the turbine housing snake, and generated electric power is transferred to the ground by a cable. In another system, over which are actively working NASA specialists, the generator is on the ground, and it works by moving the snake in the wind, where the "twist" it takes only 10% of the energy generated in the "unwinding".
German Development, which seeks to establish commercial technology to produce energy from wind at a height of 500 m, based on ground-generator. Cable management and cable length of 700 m associated with a snake trolley moves along the rails connected to the ring. Mounted on the truck alternator converts the kinetic energy into electrical energy.According to the Fraunhofer Institute, a snake with a surface area of ​​20 square meters. m moving in a sinusoidal path or in the form of eight capable of a thrust of up to 10 kN.Depending on the strength and direction of the wind kites eight total area of ​​300 square meters. m able to replace the conventional one twenty-megawatt wind turbines. The main advantage of the kites to land wind turbines is the relative stability of the wind at high altitude. According to the researchers, the probability of the wind speed of 5 m / s at 10 m is 35%, but at an altitude of 500 m, it increases to 70%. So it is better snake fly above the clouds, as at the time advised Alla Pugacheva.
Photos and information: www.fraunhofer.de, www.gizmag.com, www.ecofriend.com, www.windpowerengineering.com, www.e360.yale.edu
 

Link-

http://technicamolodezhi.ru/news/novosti_nauki_i_tehniki/LETI_LETI_ZA_OBLAKA


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8415 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts

DaveS, Rod R. 
         this sketch is what I was seeing in reading Rod's Tube Cart propulsion: 

So, if that is not it, then I need to try again to understand Rod's presentation of the Tube Cart. 
Reviewing: 
   Rod wrote: "is using spreading line propulsion for tube carts."
Then Rod:     "Mount a tubular vehicle to surround twin horizontal lines, the tube at the RHS."
And then:      "Pull apart the two ends of the line at the RHS with kites. The vehicle
shoots away from the spreading ends of the line toward the LHS."

What might I be missing?   I see in my drawing the tube cart racing away from the spreading lines.  I could ride the cart and/or have the tube cart be a generator and have bullwheels and generate some electricity with shaft rotations.    


DaveS, you mention  "string mass drivers" ....   I see in my interpretation as spreading strings driving the mass of the shown tube cart.  

Thanks for any clarifications Rod and/or DaveS or others; I want to get what you were intending, but not miss what I was seeing  : )

JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8416 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
I was sat on a swing, I absent mindedly rubbed a truncated cone shape mug up and down inside the narrowing seat rope lines, when I had the idea last night.
Ok it does have to evolve a fair bit.
This was the first toy model that came to mind.
http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=013651 
I have one of these in the house somewhere ... and I'd give a demo but it's under a pile of toys in the kids bedroom and they're asleep... and it goes at knuckle breaking speed and I'm scared of it.

I'm sure we can evolve a much better titanium robot version. Aware of it's every move and consequence. Capable of free roaming the network of splitable line pairs.
Informing line splitter kites it passes on the mesh of what they need to do and the weather report........and on

As for what you would call a shuttle / carriage device propelled by the pulling apart of the lines it rides. Who knows?
Is it an efficient method ...? Well you don't have to wind, coil or gather line anywhere, so it may simplify matters.

That line rider video link device was ace Joe... even though the line had to be twisted around the driver.




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8417 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Yes, the sketch (yours?) and idea of "tube-carts" is nice and clear, but the minor objection is that in our engineered power versions the simple tube is replaced by pulleys, so "tube" becomes somewhat cryptic as a key descriptor.

Yes, this is clearly a Mass-Driver device, like the Electro-Magnetic Rail Gun, but phonon-driven rather than electron-based.

Note this tube-cart principle is used in a dash-pot role as the slider device that slows the opening of sport parachutes. The tube-cart also reminds us of the cosmic-scale-scissors paradox, where closing the scissor halves together at sub light-speed implies faster-than-light-travel of the crux point between the blades, as a sort of tachyonic boson.
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8418 From: Rod Read Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
See the problem with a tube riding the line is when it comes to a junction..
Transferring to a new set of lines is really tricky.. without loads of fidgety threading, pinching disconnecting and reconnecting...

However if you have an open bottomed carriage with wheels that can engage and disengage with their lines of choice, you're free.

Strangely driving the carriage into wind should be easy as it spreads the departures end of the lines crosswind.

Rod Read

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8419 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
nice clear description again thanks Dave S.
I didn't know that about the sports chutes, cool.
I apologise for the catchy device moniker of tube cart
Even you ended up using it twice... sorry
splitting line rider?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8420 From: dave santos Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
We see that this is an elegant way to convert a kite "grunt" pumping input into a high speed electrical generation, or to raise and lower loads at will.

Recall that we can also fly a kiteplane around line junctions to redock, so we are not limited to driving land vehicles XC.

CC BY NC SA 

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Its not certain if we must constantly assert our CC IP rights to this and every novel idea, but it can't hurt to remind those who follow these discussions. Its looking good for the Standard-Driven World to ultimately respect and value CC IP. We should even be able to entice AWE pooled patent holders to accept CC IP as a common liscensing framework, to simplify the IP can-of-worms.

PS to Rod: I personally don't mind using even the silliest or most arcane nomenclature, but we hear those who cry for clarity and precision of usage, and even those who abhor neologisms. Tube-cart, zoom-ball, whatever, as long as we ALL communicate.
 


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8421 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Check my drawing in prior post; I signed it in edit and I added your good example, DaveS.
Edited drawing is same address: 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8422 From: Joe Faust Date: 1/10/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
Follow lead of Rod on the toy: 

Tia vs. The Zoom Ball

Tia is the dog. Line splitters causing dog to work. 
The tube cart could have the generator suggested by DaveS
and the grunts of kite systems could drive. Etc. Many uses. 

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8424 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Re: Tube Carts
One issue with this propulsion,
when the rail lines are tied within the confounds of a hexagonal mesh...

the journey must be less than the maximum distance across the hexagon,
otherwise the ends of the propelling side must (tighten / move outside)
of the mesh

I do like the version you drew Joe where only 1 side moves... simpler
Good work one and all keep it up


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8425 From: roderickjosephread Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: cooperative green energy share offer website
My brother in law alerted me to
http://www.microgenius.org.uk

A site for micro generation cooperatives to offer shares in their venture.

A kite cooperative offering research as a venture would need a lot of hype to attract enough public imagination ...
But could we use this as a collective means to also offer to energy companies wishing to show good will on climate change?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8426 From: harry valentine Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Google investing in Green Energy
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8427 From: dave santos Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Fraunhofer Mentoring Three Different AWE Starts (connect-the-dots)

Fraunthofer is publicly owned (German Federal and State ownership) applied science and engineering "Society" with around 20,000 scientists and engineers, and nearly a hundred Institutes and branch locations.

We now count at least three AWE startups known to have Fraunhofer Society participation- NTS, Enerkite, and Altaeros. 

There is no indication that this is a coordinated strategy by Fraunhofer, but looks more like chance local attractions between players. Altaeros seemingly turned to Fraunhofer USA as a natural effect of being both Boston-based. The German Fraunhofer partners are similarly local plays.

Fraunhofer is now being approached by the broader based AWE players proposing a large globally-coordinated R&D program. The well-regarded engineering powerhouse looks like an ideal fit as the AWE tech validation partner required before major investment can occur.

The Fraunhofer public ownership dynamic entails enhanced accountability and transparency, compared to "stealth venture" culture.






Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 8428 From: dave santos Date: 1/11/2013
Subject: Fraunhofer as "3rd party R&D evaluator" of Global AWE R&D

In record time (2hr), we have a positive indication that the Fraunhofer Society would be specifically interested in being a key "3rd party R&D evaluator" for AWE. The Society currently plays a comparable engineering-science consultant role in the solar industry.  3rd-party comparative evaluation will greatly reduce strategic uncertainty in AWE investment.

Its up to all our top players to help define the program, and also to identify the funding for Fraunhofer to perform in this role. It may be that the AWE Basket Fund group can help cover this cost as due-diligence. A multi-year time-frame and millions in funding is a minimum for this sort of ambitious work.  Perhaps this approach meets Dave Lang's challenge to identify a path forward for AWE tech.

The following is the text received from Fraunhofer about a potential fit with broad AWE R&D-


1) AWE - Flyoff

Gather the field of top contenders in airborne wind energy and run through a series of comparative tests including:

*  Modeling & simulation
*  Field trials (where applicable)
*  Durability testing of critical components