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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21296 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: RAD News: Bill Gates again touts rapid "high wind" R&D in Atlantic

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21297 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21298 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Kite as mathematical object in 1960 Mad Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21299 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21300 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21301 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Rail-Kiting AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21302 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21303 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21304 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21305 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Greenleaf Whittier Pickard

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21306 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21307 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: J-Model for Kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21308 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Historic RATs on untethered aircraft

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21309 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21310 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21311 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21312 From: dave santos Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21313 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21314 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: Wing Grid

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21315 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: VTOL

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21316 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: Re: VTOL

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21317 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: Re: Wing Grid

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21318 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: Biomimetic Varidrogue Swimming Propulsion Case

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21319 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: More Quasi-Kite Phonon Metamaterial Science

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21320 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
Subject: Dave Elliott srote in April 2014

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21321 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 11/26/2016
Subject: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21322 From: dave santos Date: 11/26/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21323 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21324 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21325 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21326 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21327 From: dave santos Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21328 From: dave santos Date: 11/27/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21329 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 11/28/2016
Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21330 From: Uwe Fechner Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: PhD thesis on Kite Control online

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21331 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: aenarete

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21332 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: G.J.W. van BUSSEL

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21333 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21335 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Minesto news

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21338 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Google-Makani News

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21339 From: dave santos Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: Minesto news

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21340 From: dave santos Date: 11/29/2016
Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Forum headline images

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21342 From: dave santos Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: AWE at Disruptive Innovation Festival

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21343 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Alternative Wind Powered Generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21344 From: dave santos Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: Alternative Wind Powered Generator

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21345 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Sharp Rotor HAWT Kite with TCAT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21296 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: RAD News: Bill Gates again touts rapid "high wind" R&D in Atlantic
Bill Gates really gets RAD. Here he is insisting yet again that the world must move fast with AWE R&D-

"we want to give a little bit of money to the guy who thinks that high wind will work"



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21297 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Lots of good technical kite details from the (second) Kite Golden Age at Blue Hill, but marred by bits of orientalist bias (in effect dismissive of the original Asian Kite Golden Age)-



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21298 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Kite as mathematical object in 1960 Mad Magazine
A revealing part of the folklore of Charlie Brown's childhood kite humiliations, that ultimately shaped him into the kite-master super-villain opposed to Batman, himself a kite-master. This fictional scenario emerging around 1960 strikingly anticipated the renaissance of kite-borne flight by modern PG/HG tech. 

This identification of the kite as a mathematical object is particularly insightful. The implication is that AWE can be accomplished by the Low-Complexity analytics paradigm. Occasional concern is expressed by doubters that this sort of cultural study is not RAD; but human developers cannot just be serious all the time, driven by money, but must dream as well, to persevere. Comic and heroic mythology give poetic wings to practical human aspiration-




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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21299 From: dave santos Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Charles H. Lamson mentioned as a period man-lifting player. JoeF had posted this on USHawks historical thread some years ago, but I do not recall it featured here-

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On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:40 PM, "dave santos santos137@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
Lots of good technical kite details from the (second) Kite Golden Age at Blue Hill, but marred by bits of orientalist bias (in effect dismissive of the original Asian Kite Golden Age)-





Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21300 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Lamson patent
Patent US666427 - Kite.

 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21301 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Rail-Kiting AWES

Rail-Kiting AWES

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Have kite-energy systems where the aerial wing set pulls railed devices; have various PTO means in the lower arrangements. Have rails configured in straight lines cross wind, or in ovals or circles. Control the wings and railed devices to maximize energy production. Rails may be rigid or cabled. Rails may be buried below ambient ground or sea level or at level or raised above ambient ground or sea surface. Aerial wings of the kite system may be soft, medium hard, or hard. Launching the kite systems may follow appropriate procedures; likewise the landing.       Share rail-kiting awes technology, experiments, specification, incidents, results of experiments, ideas, suggestions, etc.  The realm of rail kiting AWES is huge. Secondary uses of some arrangements may be rehearsed. Generators, when involved for PTO choice, may be in the aerial sector or in the lower ground sector. AWE community have some companies downselected to railed-kiting AWES; they are invited to open discussion of their matters and experiences, hopes and dreams. 

      A bit of contrast near the subject realm occurs when tacking AWES have not a direct physical rail, but are using ground or water wings to force opposition to the aerial wings to keep the system kiting; those patents and works are another topic.   The present topic invites focus on hard or cable physical rails; that is there is a separate part that would be traversed by a rail-hugging interface; that separate part is deemed "rail" while letting that capture such as cableways or long gearways; the rail or cableway or gearway or the like is the said "separate" part.   Different cousin is like the use of aerial wing sets towing a water hull that involves a hull-held hydro turbine generating electricity (good for other topic). 


Tease image:  

http://www.myadrenaline.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vlcsnap-2012-01-05-14h34m14s198-e1325771350989.jpg

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21302 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/23/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Photo of the article
page 48 and following:

The Popular science monthly

 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21303 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21304 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Some topic related matter and then some: 

Diamonds In The Sky

 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21305 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Greenleaf Whittier Pickard
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21306 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Loomis, the "Father of Radio", and his AWES kites (1866- )
Scientific American, December 28, 1901, pages 425-426: 


BY  A.  FREDERICK  COLLINS.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21307 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: J-Model for Kite
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21308 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Historic RATs on untethered aircraft
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21309 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21310 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio
United States military radio antenna kites - Wikipedia

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21311 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Early radio
War Kite: The ‘Gibson Girl’ Kites

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21312 From: dave santos Date: 11/24/2016
Subject: Re: Blue Hill Observatory kite methods in 1897 PopSci Magazine
Attachments :


    Speaking of "diamonds in the sky", the attached jpg completes the metaphor :)


    __._,_.


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21313 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/24/2016
    Subject: Re: Early radio
    Marconi - Accross Channel with Kites

     

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21314 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: Wing Grid

    Wing Grid

    ===========

    Start: 


    1.  Aeronautics Research - WINGGRID - What is it?


    2. The Wing Grid: A New Approach to Reducing Induced Drag 

    Final Report 16.622 by David Bennett
     Fall 2001 


    ============================================

    The bird seems to me to know more than the above report admits. Not sure yet. 

    ============================================

    Will AWES using rigid or semi-rigid wings be using some format of wing grid?

    ==========================================================

    Gyps Rupelli

    http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4e745388cc1a41b5a0e8e88a45fcc67b/rueppells-griffon-gyps-rueppellii-vulture-flying-against-a-blue-sky-d9g7nr.jpg

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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21315 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: VTOL

    VTOL

    Energy kite systems as VTOL?


    The wiki does not recognize the wings of some kite systems as VTOL.

    VTOL - Wikipedia


    Advancing the article might be found in some future moment. 

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21316 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: Re: VTOL
    Kites have always done VTOL, especially vertical liftoff, and modern steerable kites do vertical landing quite well. Kites are VTOL aircraft by applicable criteria.

    The general legacy meaning of VTOL, as based on helicopter or thruster principles, will linger on. We already extended VTOL as E-VTOL, to classify vertical flight by electric propulsion (E-flight).

    Proposing K-VTOL here to designate kite-based VTOL. Other classes of VTOL can be distinguished by the same sort of added initials.  R-VTOL and LTA-VTOL can cover rockets and ("lighter-than-air") lifting-gas. Eventually, a full consensus classification of VTOLs will emerge.


    On Friday, November 25, 2016 9:33 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
    VTOL
    Energy kite systems as VTOL?

    The wiki does not recognize the wings of some kite systems as VTOL.

    Advancing the article might be found in some future moment. 


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21317 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: Re: Wing Grid
    This is fundamentally a wing topology/geometry comparison, where a shorter branching wing can produce nearly equivalent performance to a longer single non-branching wing. These days, topology offers critical perspective in engineering design, while not too long ago topology was an a "pure" mathematical field not seen as having real-world applications.

    The aero-designer still has to choose which wing option is better based on practical factors. Shorter wider branched wings are favored in corwded surface-conditions or in rough air, and longer wings favored in open surface-conditions and smooth air. Biplanes v monoplanes have long represented a branching topology engineering trade, if not explicitly analysed as such.


    On Friday, November 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
    Wing Grid
    ===========
    Start: 


    Final Report 16.622 by David Bennett
     Fall 2001 

    ============================================
    The bird seems to me to know more than the above report admits. Not sure yet. 
    ============================================
    Will AWES using rigid or semi-rigid wings be using some format of wing grid?
    ==========================================================
    ======================================



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21318 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: Biomimetic Varidrogue Swimming Propulsion Case
    Here is a rare case of a variable drag (varidrogue) animal swimming locomotion. Its apparently favored for high-interaction with the water to optimize filter-feeding, so while it may not be how best to do AWE, it could be a inspiration for a wind-based self-driven basis for airborne CO2 scrubbing (given the desperate challenge to meet the 2 Centigrade max warming target for greenhouse gas impact). We have seen kinetic wind sculptures with a similar hypnotic motion, but this creature evokes a flying versions. Thanks to Rod for the link.



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21319 From: dave santos Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: More Quasi-Kite Phonon Metamaterial Science

    Our theoretic kite lattices have direct counterparts in metamaterial science. 3D tetrahedral quasi Bell Cellular Kite structure is called a Pyrochlore Lattice, after a particular mineral crystal structure, and hexagonal 2D quasi-kite lattice concepts are Kagome Lattices, as we had already classed them. Every general metamaterial prediction in these papers seems to also hold in kite cases. The world has in effect suddenly stepped up to perform due-diligence work in AWE science, greatly advancing and accelerating our theoretics beyond what we could do on our own-


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21320 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/25/2016
    Subject: Dave Elliott srote in April 2014
    ===
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21321 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 11/26/2016
    Subject: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

    Hi All,

    This is a preliminary proposal for a new kind of buoyant kite that functions as an advanced type of hot-air, or steam, balloon with superior insulation, and solar heating, plus some heat storage to keep it aloft at night or during dark days. It’s a crazy idea that probably can’t work with today’s materials, and I can’t adequately analyze it, but it at least offers a new approach. I don’t know enough to design the complete balloon. These are just my first thoughts on this new type of buoyant kite.

    In my opinion, small-scale energy kites cannot be competitive if they require re-launching after lulls because the equipment will be too complicated and expensive. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. But in the meantime, I am looking for how to keep energy kites aloft continuously for months at a time.

    The methods for doing that seem to include motorizing the kite so that it can create lift from forward flight during lulls, or by using buoyancy. I want to talk about buoyancy here because it seems to have more room for improvement.

    Buoyancy can be accomplished by using helium or hydrogen (both of which are problematic), using methane or ammonia gas (which are also problematic), somehow creating a vacuum within a large and light container, or using some form of hot-air balloon or steam balloon.

    I can't yet figure out how to make a vacuum container that can be very light while resisting atmospheric pressure, which is enormous. Some sort of multiple bicycle wheel construction around the balloon might work, using a great many cord-spokes to the balloon. But I think the most practical option might be an advanced hot-air balloon or a steam balloon.

    Most hot-air balloons so far have relied on a flame heater below an open-bottom balloon. That consumes a lot of energy and would not be energy efficient. There are toy, solar-heated balloons consisting of a large, thin-skinned, black, plastic bag. But the buoyancy is not large, and the balloon would lose it buoyancy at night. So what else might work?

    The main problem to solve for a hot-air balloon is heat insulation. If the container were large and the internal air, or steam, or other gas were kept at reasonably high temperature, the balloon could provide a useful amount of buoyancy.

    The limitation on this type of large balloon would seem to be its amount of buoyancy as compared to its amount of wind drag. Without enough buoyancy, wind pressure on the kite could force it all the way to the ground. So the balloon would need additional lift. If it had additional lift, then it would need to be just buoyant enough to keep it aloft during lulls. That is my goal to explore here.

    Consequently, the two problems to solve are: How to achieve excellent thermal insulation for very little weight, and how to provide additional lift for very little weight.

    My guess is that adequate thermal insulation could be provided by using alternating layers of reflective Mylar (used for emergency blankets) and some of the new types of insulation used for cold weather clothing, some sort of flexible aero-gel, or some sort of ultralight solid foam. The result would be a very light, flexible skin with very good insulation for internal temperatures up to maybe 100 degrees C, or about the boiling temperature of water. The balloon would be sort of a soft thermos bottle.

    Assuming that to be possible, what would be the weight of air or steam per cubic meter at that temperature? From Wikipedia: At standard temperature (20 degrees C) and pressure, air weighs 1.2041 kg/m³.  At 99 degrees C, air weighs 0.9486 kg/m³. So at 99 degrees C internal temperature, the buoyancy provided by the hot air in the balloon would be .2555 kg/m3. Therefore, 1,000 m3 gives a buoyancy of 255.55 kg. 1,000 cubic meters would be a cylindrical balloon 40 meters long and 8 meters in diameter. The aspect ratio would be 5. If the surrounding air is colder than 20 degrees C, the balloon will have an increased buoyancy since colder air is heavier. And if the surrounding air is warmer than 20 degrees C, the balloon will have less buoyancy. Air at high altitudes is usually cooler, and air at night is usually cooler. These cooler temperatures work in a hot-air kite’s favor. However, normal balloon materials tend to degrade quickly at a temperature of 99 degrees C, so a heat-resistant inner layer material would be required, perhaps Nomex. And at higher elevations the air density diminishes by about 3% for each 1,000 meters of altitude.

    Steam can provide more than twice as much lift as hot air at 100 degrees C. At 100 degrees C, steam weighs 0.587 kg/m3. So steam at 100 degrees C would provide 0.6171 kg/m3 of buoyancy. Here is a website that discusses a new type of Festo steam balloon with superior insulation: https://www.festo.com/net/SupportPortal/Files/42088/HeiDAS_UH_en.pdf 

    Where would the energy come from to heat the air or steam? It could be provided by a heating coil using electricity sent from the ground or from a flexible solar panel on board. It could be provided by constructing the entire balloon to function like a solar-heating hot-air-panel. (I favor that option.) If the balloon or part of the balloon rotated using wind energy, part of its rotation energy could be used to create fluid-friction heating. I guess the balloon could also be heated internally by aiming a microwave beam, or a laser beam at it from the ground, but that strikes me as too expensive to be a practical option, at least for now. Similarly, an intense sound beam could be used to heat the balloon internally, but that too seems too expensive for now. In any case, if the insulation had a high thermal insulation value (R), very little energy would need to be provided to maintain the buoyancy of the balloon. Consider that some houses are so well insulated that a family's body heat can maintain a comfortable room temperature in cold climates.

    Here is something that might prove to be critically important for insulating the balloon: I saw a very interesting hot-fluid, solar heater with a unique form of insulation. As I recall, it consisted of a glass pipe with a dark fluid that flowed through the glass section of the pipe. A parabolic mirror focused light on the glass tube. What was special was that the insulation used around the glass section of the pipe was a large-diameter, slowly-rotating cylinder made of clear plastic. The cylinder was mounted on bearings so that it could rotate, and a tiny motor was used to rotate it. The ends of the cylinder used normal insulation materials. The parabolic reflector shone light through the large diameter cylinder onto the glass pipe. When it rotated, the cylinder dragged the air inside it along and subjected that air to centrifugal force. The centrifugal force created an artificial gravity. Hot air rises. Cool air falls. So inside the slowly spinning cylinder, the cooler (heavier) air "fell" to the perimeter of the cylinder, and the hot (lighter) air "rose" to the rotational axis of the cylinder where the clear pipe was located. As I recall, that insulation was quite effective. The fluid flowing through the glass pipe got quite hot -- even when wind was blowing on the cylinder and cooling it due to the wind chill factor. Here is a more recent version of the same concept:

    http://solarenergyengineering.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1458179  It prevents heat loss via normal convection, which is a major cause of heat dissipation.

    What that means is that by rotating, a hot-air balloon could increase its thermal insulation rating substantially. The internal air in contact with the skin of the cylinder would be significantly cooler than the average temperature of the air inside of the cylinder, and much cooler than the very hot air along the central axis of the cylinder. So there would be reduced heat loss, and that should more than compensate for the cooling effect of the wind. And the lower temperature air in contact with the insulation should increase the insulation’s working life. That suggests that a good candidate for a hot-air balloon, or steam balloon, might be a Flettner rotor or a Sharp Rotor since they rotate, have a large internal volume, and can be constructed to be light. They could be slowly rotated during lulls to maintain their thermal insulation, by using a small motor and a small battery. A Sharp Rotor could be slowly rotated by a small motor powered by flexible solar panels.

    The hot-air balloon would need to adjust its internal pressure to that it did not burst from high pressure or collapse from low pressure. That should be easy to do by using two, small, spring-loaded, one-way air valves. If the pressure got too high, some air would be allowed to escape. If the pressure got too low, some air would be admitted before the balloon started to collapse. The balloon would need to have just enough skin stiffness to withstand an internal pressure that was just slightly below atmospheric pressure. That stiffness might be provided by using inflatable rings. A lot of work has been done on using inflatable parts to create relatively rigid structures. Some kites already using inflatable spars or inflatable rings. Or, the stiffness could be molded in to the outer skin of the balloon.

    A Sharp Rotor might be constructed with a thin, clear, polycarbonate skin with chord-wise ribs molded into the skin to give it rigidity. Sunlight would shine through the clear skin and heat the surface of a black colored cylinder that was thermally insulated. The rotation of the balloon would keep the warmest air away from the clear skin of the rotor. The spinning kite would add insulation to the cylinder holding the heated air. A small fan would circulate the heated air from the outside of the cylinder to the inside of the cylinder at close to the long axis of the cylinder where a pipe holding eutectic salts would lie along the long axis of the cylinder where the air was hottest. During the day, the salts would absorb part of the solar heat. At night, the salts would give off heat to keep the balloon aloft.

    An alternative would be to store heat in high temperature, pressurized tank of water located along the spin axis if the kite. It would be used to supply steam. A small water pump would return condensed steam from the periphery of the cylinder to the outside of the central tank where it would be boiled to produce steam. The water in the tank could be heated to well above 100 degrees C because it would be in contact with the hottest air inside of the balloon that would not come in contact with the wall of the cylinder containing the buoyant steam.

    The Sharp Rotor could be used as a pilot kite to support various wind energy devices, or it could function as a long-pull kite or as a stretch kite working with other kites.

    Can you think of ways to improve this basic concept or to replace it with something better? Does this concept seem feasible? Can you think of additional problems to solve?

    Further reference: http://www.heidas.de/docs/HeiDAS_AIAA2003.pdf  “Alternative Buoyancy Concepts: First Numerical and Experimental Results for a Hot Steam Balloon (HeiDAS)”, by Bormann, et. al., 2003,  About the best materials for steam balloons. The best material, PEEK, is still too expensive.

    Note: Normal passenger balloons could use steam and could be slowly spun using a large-diameter bottom bearing so that the basket did not spin. Spinning would make them much more efficient. Blimps and dirigibles could be designed to slowly spin around their long axis so as to provide insulation for steam. 10% to 15% hydrogen can be added to steam without making an explosive mixture.

     

     

     

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21322 From: dave santos Date: 11/26/2016
    Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal
    Hi PeterS,

    Sadly, the practical disadvantages of hot- air balloons have always been considerable. The lift is weak and/or the heat loss is high, and they are necessarily built so light they are not suited to even handle common wind forces of persistent station-keeping (but normally only drift along in low wind at dawn). Balloons are gravely vulnerable in storms, while kites can stay safe in their bags in a shed.

    An ironic AWES balloon fact is that holding a WECS up in long windless gaps makes no power. Another ironic fact is that a toy balloon is enough to lift a small kite above common surface calm (inversion), to cascade-launch bigger kites in stages (KiteLab Portland 2007).This could be the only economic use of LTA in AWE, if a common drone cannot not better.

    Over years we have extensively reviewed balloon challenges from various aviation backgrounds. For example, I have a lot of pioneering robotic blimp experience, longtime NASA planetary ballooning research affiliations, and some hot-air balloon background. As a longtime LTA and AWE domain expert, it seems plain to me that either relaunching kites or step-towing in lulls, as needed, is the more accessible AWES-capability basis.

    There is a grand future for vast inflated structures with solar-thermal lift boost that also provides a shirt-sleeve aerotecture environment in the chilly sky, but it needs graphene performance, and that won't be too cheap for a long time. On the plus side, anyone can experiment with LTA at small-scale, to grasp the scaling barriers first hand, of high cost and high wind vulnerabilities,

    dave




    On Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:11 PM, "'Peter A. Sharp' sharpencil@sbcglobal.net [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
    Hi All,
    This is a preliminary proposal for a new kind of buoyant kite that functions as an advanced type of hot-air, or steam, balloon with superior insulation, and solar heating, plus some heat storage to keep it aloft at night or during dark days. It’s a crazy idea that probably can’t work with today’s materials, and I can’t adequately analyze it, but it at least offers a new approach. I don’t know enough to design the complete balloon. These are just my first thoughts on this new type of buoyant kite.
    In my opinion, small-scale energy kites cannot be competitive if they require re-launching after lulls because the equipment will be too complicated and expensive. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. But in the meantime, I am looking for how to keep energy kites aloft continuously for months at a time.
    The methods for doing that seem to include motorizing the kite so that it can create lift from forward flight during lulls, or by using buoyancy. I want to talk about buoyancy here because it seems to have more room for improvement.
    Buoyancy can be accomplished by using helium or hydrogen (both of which are problematic), using methane or ammonia gas (which are also problematic), somehow creating a vacuum within a large and light container, or using some form of hot-air balloon or steam balloon.
    I can't yet figure out how to make a vacuum container that can be very light while resisting atmospheric pressure, which is enormous. Some sort of multiple bicycle wheel construction around the balloon might work, using a great many cord-spokes to the balloon. But I think the most practical option might be an advanced hot-air balloon or a steam balloon.
    Most hot-air balloons so far have relied on a flame heater below an open-bottom balloon. That consumes a lot of energy and would not be energy efficient. There are toy, solar-heated balloons consisting of a large, thin-skinned, black, plastic bag. But the buoyancy is not large, and the balloon would lose it buoyancy at night. So what else might work?
    The main problem to solve for a hot-air balloon is heat insulation. If the container were large and the internal air, or steam, or other gas were kept at reasonably high temperature, the balloon could provide a useful amount of buoyancy.
    The limitation on this type of large balloon would seem to be its amount of buoyancy as compared to its amount of wind drag. Without enough buoyancy, wind pressure on the kite could force it all the way to the ground. So the balloon would need additional lift. If it had additional lift, then it would need to be just buoyant enough to keep it aloft during lulls. That is my goal to explore here.
    Consequently, the two problems to solve are: How to achieve excellent thermal insulation for very little weight, and how to provide additional lift for very little weight.
    My guess is that adequate thermal insulation could be provided by using alternating layers of reflective Mylar (used for emergency blankets) and some of the new types of insulation used for cold weather clothing, some sort of flexible aero-gel, or some sort of ultralight solid foam. The result would be a very light, flexible skin with very good insulation for internal temperatures up to maybe 100 degrees C, or about the boiling temperature of water. The balloon would be sort of a soft thermos bottle.
    Assuming that to be possible, what would be the weight of air or steam per cubic meter at that temperature? From Wikipedia: At standard temperature (20 degrees C) and pressure, air weighs 1.2041 kg/m³.  At 99 degrees C, air weighs 0.9486 kg/m³. So at 99 degrees C internal temperature, the buoyancy provided by the hot air in the balloon would be .2555 kg/m3. Therefore, 1,000 m3 gives a buoyancy of 255.55 kg. 1,000 cubic meters would be a cylindrical balloon 40 meters long and 8 meters in diameter. The aspect ratio would be 5. If the surrounding air is colder than 20 degrees C, the balloon will have an increased buoyancy since colder air is heavier. And if the surrounding air is warmer than 20 degrees C, the balloon will have less buoyancy. Air at high altitudes is usually cooler, and air at night is usually cooler. These cooler temperatures work in a hot-air kite’s favor. However, normal balloon materials tend to degrade quickly at a temperature of 99 degrees C, so a heat-resistant inner layer material would be required, perhaps Nomex. And at higher elevations the air density diminishes by about 3% for each 1,000 meters of altitude.
    Steam can provide more than twice as much lift as hot air at 100 degrees C. At 100 degrees C, steam weighs 0.587 kg/m3. So steam at 100 degrees C would provide 0.6171 kg/m3 of buoyancy. Here is a website that discusses a new type of Festo steam balloon with superior insulation: https://www.festo.com/net/SupportPortal/Files/42088/HeiDAS_UH_en.pdf 
    Where would the energy come from to heat the air or steam? It could be provided by a heating coil using electricity sent from the ground or from a flexible solar panel on board. It could be provided by constructing the entire balloon to function like a solar-heating hot-air-panel. (I favor that option.) If the balloon or part of the balloon rotated using wind energy, part of its rotation energy could be used to create fluid-friction heating. I guess the balloon could also be heated internally by aiming a microwave beam, or a laser beam at it from the ground, but that strikes me as too expensive to be a practical option, at least for now. Similarly, an intense sound beam could be used to heat the balloon internally, but that too seems too expensive for now. In any case, if the insulation had a high thermal insulation value (R), very little energy would need to be provided to maintain the buoyancy of the balloon. Consider that some houses are so well insulated that a family's body heat can maintain a comfortable room temperature in cold climates.
    Here is something that might prove to be critically important for insulating the balloon: I saw a very interesting hot-fluid, solar heater with a unique form of insulation. As I recall, it consisted of a glass pipe with a dark fluid that flowed through the glass section of the pipe. A parabolic mirror focused light on the glass tube. What was special was that the insulation used around the glass section of the pipe was a large-diameter, slowly-rotating cylinder made of clear plastic. The cylinder was mounted on bearings so that it could rotate, and a tiny motor was used to rotate it. The ends of the cylinder used normal insulation materials. The parabolic reflector shone light through the large diameter cylinder onto the glass pipe. When it rotated, the cylinder dragged the air inside it along and subjected that air to centrifugal force. The centrifugal force created an artificial gravity. Hot air rises. Cool air falls. So inside the slowly spinning cylinder, the cooler (heavier) air "fell" to the perimeter of the cylinder, and the hot (lighter) air "rose" to the rotational axis of the cylinder where the clear pipe was located. As I recall, that insulation was quite effective. The fluid flowing through the glass pipe got quite hot -- even when wind was blowing on the cylinder and cooling it due to the wind chill factor. Here is a more recent version of the same concept:
    http://solarenergyengineering.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/article.aspx?articleid=1458179  It prevents heat loss via normal convection, which is a major cause of heat dissipation.
    What that means is that by rotating, a hot-air balloon could increase its thermal insulation rating substantially. The internal air in contact with the skin of the cylinder would be significantly cooler than the average temperature of the air inside of the cylinder, and much cooler than the very hot air along the central axis of the cylinder. So there would be reduced heat loss, and that should more than compensate for the cooling effect of the wind. And the lower temperature air in contact with the insulation should increase the insulation’s working life. That suggests that a good candidate for a hot-air balloon, or steam balloon, might be a Flettner rotor or a Sharp Rotor since they rotate, have a large internal volume, and can be constructed to be light. They could be slowly rotated during lulls to maintain their thermal insulation, by using a small motor and a small battery. A Sharp Rotor could be slowly rotated by a small motor powered by flexible solar panels.
    The hot-air balloon would need to adjust its internal pressure to that it did not burst from high pressure or collapse from low pressure. That should be easy to do by using two, small, spring-loaded, one-way air valves. If the pressure got too high, some air would be allowed to escape. If the pressure got too low, some air would be admitted before the balloon started to collapse. The balloon would need to have just enough skin stiffness to withstand an internal pressure that was just slightly below atmospheric pressure. That stiffness might be provided by using inflatable rings. A lot of work has been done on using inflatable parts to create relatively rigid structures. Some kites already using inflatable spars or inflatable rings. Or, the stiffness could be molded in to the outer skin of the balloon.
    A Sharp Rotor might be constructed with a thin, clear, polycarbonate skin with chord-wise ribs molded into the skin to give it rigidity. Sunlight would shine through the clear skin and heat the surface of a black colored cylinder that was thermally insulated. The rotation of the balloon would keep the warmest air away from the clear skin of the rotor. The spinning kite would add insulation to the cylinder holding the heated air. A small fan would circulate the heated air from the outside of the cylinder to the inside of the cylinder at close to the long axis of the cylinder where a pipe holding eutectic salts would lie along the long axis of the cylinder where the air was hottest. During the day, the salts would absorb part of the solar heat. At night, the salts would give off heat to keep the balloon aloft.
    An alternative would be to store heat in high temperature, pressurized tank of water located along the spin axis if the kite. It would be used to supply steam. A small water pump would return condensed steam from the periphery of the cylinder to the outside of the central tank where it would be boiled to produce steam. The water in the tank could be heated to well above 100 degrees C because it would be in contact with the hottest air inside of the balloon that would not come in contact with the wall of the cylinder containing the buoyant steam.
    The Sharp Rotor could be used as a pilot kite to support various wind energy devices, or it could function as a long-pull kite or as a stretch kite working with other kites.
    Can you think of ways to improve this basic concept or to replace it with something better? Does this concept seem feasible? Can you think of additional problems to solve?
    Further reference: http://www.heidas.de/docs/HeiDAS_AIAA2003.pdf  “Alternative Buoyancy Concepts: First Numerical and Experimental Results for a Hot Steam Balloon (HeiDAS)”, by Bormann, et. al., 2003,  About the best materials for steam balloons. The best material, PEEK, is still too expensive.
    Note: Normal passenger balloons could use steam and could be slowly spun using a large-diameter bottom bearing so that the basket did not spin. Spinning would make them much more efficient. Blimps and dirigibles could be designed to slowly spin around their long axis so as to provide insulation for steam. 10% to 15% hydrogen can be added to steam without making an explosive mixture.
     
     
     


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21323 From: Pierre BENHAIEM Date: 11/27/2016
    Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal

    Hi Peter,

     

    See http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.1999-3888 about MIR, a French project of a huge solar balloon flying day (increasing its altitude) and night (descreasing its altitude, but keeping an altitude high enough).

     

    PierreB

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21324 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/27/2016
    Subject: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france
    Attachments :
      From: Olivier Normand
      Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 6:05 AM

      Hi , just to let you know kitewinder is really active in AWE sector.
      Attached is our leaflet for our soon coming first product.
        
      Have a good day,
       
      Olivier
       
       
      Olivier Normand
      Co-Fondateur
      15 rue de Naudet 
      33175 Gradignan
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21325 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/27/2016
      Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21326 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/27/2016
      Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21327 From: dave santos Date: 11/27/2016
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france
      Bravo to Olivier for what looks like a very nice commercial realization of a small rope-drive AWES, rather similar to KiteMotor1 by KiteLab Portland in 2007, that was only a proof-of-concept.

      Looking forward to evaluating a Kiwee directly...


      On Sunday, November 27, 2016 12:41 PM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
      From: Olivier Normand
      Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 6:05 AM

      Hi , just to let you know kitewinder is really active in AWE sector.
      Attached is our leaflet for our soon coming first product.
        
      Have a good day,
       
      Olivier
       
       
      Olivier Normand
      Co-Fondateur
      15 rue de Naudet 
      33175 Gradignan


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21328 From: dave santos Date: 11/27/2016
      Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal
      PeterS can begin to judge how well we have covered solar-thermal concepts, and we are due to update our art and theory.

      The first link Joe offered is to a paper my legendary mentor at UT (Dr. Stearman) circulated online. In those years we kept up with everything going on around the high-altitude/interplanetary balloon world, and this was just one project. The second link references Tomas Saraceno, who shares aerotecture ambitions with us, who recently did conceptual work with TUDelft (Roland) on kites and also explored Motha Concepts.

      Another big design issue is pressure compensation across altitude, that the French Solar balloon only did by excess bag material. It was not able to resist wind forces, but could only drift. The total payload was 60kg for a balloon of 43,000m2, which gives an idea of the cost problem, even without He dependence.

      AWE conceptual trends in academic and pro AE seem to favor kite-tech, and a turning away from LTA or conventional aircraft principles that some teams continue to struggle with, and the resulting data cases will finally settle.all doubts.


      On Sunday, November 27, 2016 12:54 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21329 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 11/28/2016
      Subject: Re: Fwd: Hello from Kitewinder located in france
      Thanks, OlivierN;
                   Glad to know and you are most welcomed to AWEIA.
      Counting on your cooperations and support.
      Further lifts.
      JohnO
      Airborne WInd Energy Industry Association
       
      John Adeoye  Oyebanji   B.Sc. MCPN
      Managing Consultant & CEO
      Hardensoft International Limited
      ; ; ; Company
      NIGERIA / AFRICA.

      _
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21330 From: Uwe Fechner Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: PhD thesis on Kite Control online
      Hello,

      my PhD Thesis: "A Methodology for the Design of Kite-Power Control Systems" is now online available:

      http://tinyurl.com/zuvkrbz

      Enjoy!

      Uwe


      -------------------------------
      Dr. Uwe Fechner

      aenarete - Wind Drones
      Paets van Troostwijkstraat 277
      2522DT Den Haag

      www.aenarete.eu
      Tel.: 06-2529-2059
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21331 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: aenarete
      ​a​
      enarete
      - Wind Drones
       
      was founded in 2015
      ​ by Dr. Uwe Fechner​

      Business manager, Aslı Anda. 
      Aerospace expert Gaël de Oliveira. 
      ===============================
      ​Note: Their logo has lowercase for ​
      ​a​
      enarete
      =========================================================

      ​=====================================​

      ​====================================​

      or Aenarete, wife of Greek wind god Aeolus.

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21332 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: G.J.W. van BUSSEL

      Gerard van Bussel 


      ============

      Prof. dr. G.J.W. van BUSSEL was promoter of Uwe Fechner's doctoral dissertation. 

      Copromoter was Dr.-Ing. R. SCHMEHL


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21333 From: Peter A. Sharp Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: hot air Balloons for energy kites-- a preliminary proposal
      Thank you PierreB and JoeF for that fascinating information about the
      Montgolfiere Infra Red (MIR) balloon.
      Here are some invention ideas relevant to reducing heat loss at night for
      that type of balloon so as to prolong the average flight time: The balloon
      seems to have at least two areas where it could be improved: better thermal
      insulation and increased maneuverability (to avoid land areas with low IR
      radiation). Both might be accomplished by spinning the balloon. A way to do
      that would be to mount a flexible solar panel at the top of the balloon, and
      use it to charge a battery in the gondola (which is probably already part of
      the original design). The battery would power a large, low-speed,
      ultralight, electric motor/propeller at night, which was mounted on the side
      of the gondola (and counterbalanced by the battery). The propeller would
      spin the gondola, which would spin the balloon, which would greatly decrease
      the loss of heat at night due to convection. The propeller would be mounted
      on a steering bearing (like those used for some RC models) so that it could
      be angled left-right and up-down. The propeller could be sped up and slowed
      down (or angled left and right) as it revolved around the vertical axis of
      the gondola so as to pull the balloon in any desired direction while also
      spinning the gondola, thus providing some maneuverability. The propeller
      could also be angled upward somewhat to provide some lift so as to decrease
      the rate of descent at night. The end result should be longer flights, maybe
      even flights of any desired length. Maneuverability might also be increased
      by hanging a controllable, inflatable, vertical wing far below the balloon
      as has been done by NASA, thus converting the balloon into a free-flight
      kite. A balloon normally has a lot of drag if moving through the air. But if
      it is spun at a little below a spin ratio of one, the drag might be greatly
      reduced due to the Magnus effect. However, whether the balloon could benefit
      from that reduced drag is uncertain due to its very large size, and its
      surface roughness. In any case, the balloon might benefit from spinning by
      creating lift due to the Magnus effect when moving through the air. The
      propeller thrust would be cyclically adjusted to produce Magnus effect lift
      in the desired direction.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21334 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online
      Thank you, UweF, for providing your robust dissertation!
      ===========================================

      In Uwe's paper: 

      " When this research started there was a hypothesis, that nonlinear model-predictive
      control (NMPC) was needed for the control of a kite-power system. In the investigated
      context this hypothesis is found to be wrong: A reliable, robust control system
      is presented using parameter varying PID controllers and nonlinear-dynamic inversion.
      This enables the implementation of small and lightweight flying control systems without
      the need of a very fast system model."

      ====================================

      My preliminary notes toward discussing the above: 

      Model predictive control - Wikipedia

        and


      PID controller - Wikipedia

       

      and
      one paper on Nonlinear dynamic inversion (NDI)
       
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21335 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online
      Uwe Fechner has been part of the fabric of our forum.
      Research and review over mentions in our forum are HERE.
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21337 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: Minesto news

      Minesto AB: Minesto's Tidal Energy Technology Awarded as Most Promising in the Industry
      During Tuesday evening Minesto were crowned winners in the Most Promising Turbine Concept category for their innovative Deep Green technology, ...



      Minesto explores Latin options
      Tidal energy developer Minesto is part of a Swedish 'green tech' business delegation to Argentina. The two-day visit, which starts today, is being ...



      Tidal energy tech developer Minesto joins Swedish Green Tech trade mission
      Global tidal energy technology developer Minesto has joined a Swedish Green Tech trade mission to Argentina. The trade mission is organised by ...
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21338 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Google-Makani News

      Google developing novel kite-based ship propulsion system

      NOVEMBER 29TH, 2016  Sam Chambers


      =============================================

      and


      Google goes to sea! Patent reveals bizarre ship pulled by a flying 'windmill' that could house the firm's giant servers

      Patent is 'Airborne rigid kite with on-board power plant for ship propulsion'

      It shows a vehicle-based ‘windmill’ system with rotors and rotating blades

      This system could power and propel Google's floating data centers

      An electrically conductive tether would link the two and transfer energy

      By Stacy Liberatore For Dailymail.com

      PUBLISHED: 13:57 EST, 28 November 2016 | UPDATED: 17:57 EST, 28 November 2016

      =======================================

      and:


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8WpoIYPw2k


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21339 From: dave santos Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: Minesto news
      Minesto winning this distinction establishes the kite-principle as a concept-leader within Tidal Energy. We are seeing relentlessly growing awareness and support of our R&D circles, and the state-of-the-art can only continue to advance with such fine momentum.


      On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 7:38 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  

      Minesto AB: Minesto's Tidal Energy Technology Awarded as Most Promising in the Industry
      During Tuesday evening Minesto were crowned winners in the Most Promising Turbine Concept category for their innovative Deep Green technology, ...



      Minesto explores Latin options
      Tidal energy developer Minesto is part of a Swedish 'green tech' business delegation to Argentina. The two-day visit, which starts today, is being ...



      Tidal energy tech developer Minesto joins Swedish Green Tech trade mission
      Global tidal energy technology developer Minesto has joined a Swedish Green Tech trade mission to Argentina. The trade mission is organised by ...


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21340 From: dave santos Date: 11/29/2016
      Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online
      Congratulations, Doctor Fechner, very good thesis work, with lots to think about. 

      A next phase for the AWE field is to generate long-term reliability statistics for controls, since inherent mishap frequencies are still unknown, and will impact capacity estimates that did not include them. Note that while your are correct that Makani is the first "company" to perform "all modes" AWES flight, KiteLab Group (not incorporated) did document many all-modes sessions based on self-relaunch of hobby kites (esp. sleds), including passive-landing in lulls, over indefinitely many cycles in up to a two-week session (kFarm 2013). These demos do not require digital controls, performing strong short-stroke pumping without reels or winches. Such dirt-simple AWES capability may best serve the poorest populations, by lower capital cost and greater field maintainability.

      It was a bit of a shock to see that Optimal Control is not considered vital. By this logic taken further, PID control may be pushed aside for Passive-Control. Just kidding, lets keep every tool in our kit. Hoping AWE control system developers soon provide us METAR and NextGen data parsers and reasoners, to auto-kill our kite-farms if we are napping when sudden weather disturbances or airspace intrusions indicate.

      Champagne All Around!



      On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:16 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
      Thank you, UweF, for the link to your robust dissertation. 
      =========================================
      In the paper UweF noted: 
      "When this research started there was a hypothesis, that nonlinear model-predictive control (NMPC) was needed for the control of a kite-power system. In the investigated context this hypothesis is found to be wrong: A reliable, robust control system is presented using parameter varying PID controllers and nonlinear-dynamic inversion. This enables the implementation of small and lightweight flying control systems without the need of a very fast system model."
      ===================================


      My starter notes: 
      Model predictive control - Wikipedia

      ========================
       
      ============
      and this as starter on nonlinear dynamic inversion
       


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21341 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: Re: Forum headline images
      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21342 From: dave santos Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: AWE at Disruptive Innovation Festival
      Stephan Wilhelm represented AWE at the Disruptive Innovation Festival last week on the Isle of Wight.

      A video interview with Stefan occurs at minutes 3-18, and features new KiteMill footage-




      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21343 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: Alternative Wind Powered Generator

      Alternative Wind Powered Generator

      8 minutes+

      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21344 From: dave santos Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: Re: Alternative Wind Powered Generator
      Yet another peculiar Texas AWE connection, that in 2008 a major AWES prototype was made near Austin, seemingly by Mexican Cowboy metal-fabricators, and that ended up in Princeton. We have never connected with this mysterious Austin player*, nor know of anything further, like where the prototype ended up, and if we can try it out. kPower of Austin was working independently in 2008, with SWRI of San Antonio.

      -----------
      * Leo Gloldstein (AWELab) is another big "Austin AWE mystery", somehow not yet having met up with kPower of Austin. There seems to be a higher concentration of small-scale AWE start-up activity in Austin than perhaps anywhere else, besides maybe Delft. Austin perhaps also has the oldest documented continuous kite festival, outside of Japan.


      On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:47 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com  
      8 minutes+


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21345 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: Sharp Rotor HAWT Kite with TCAT

      Hi JoeF,

      Please post the attached drawing for me. Much thanks.

      Just to refresh readers’ memories, a TCAT is intended to charge batteries. It uses a windmill kite to twist shock cords until the torque becomes high enough to overcome the resistance of a magnetic catch mounted on the drive shaft of a small generator. Then the twist cords spin a small, inexpensive generator at a high RPM. The generator spins at the same RPM whenever it is “on”, so the electricity is easier to regulate. As the wind speed increases, the generator is “on” more often. 

      A TCAT is less efficient than a direct-drive generator of a wind turbine kite, or a generator driven by a circulating belt from a wind turbine kite. But it could be far cheaper. The far lower first cost could more than compensate for the lower efficiency, and therefore the cost of the energy could be substantially lower. 

      The reason for using Sharp Rotors for the blades of the windmill is that they would develop high torque at close to zero RPM, which would make it easier to overcome the magnetic catch in light winds. 

      Because Sharp Rotors produce only low torque, it would be easy to brake them in high wind speeds using a simple, sliding brake-disc that responds to wind pressure. 

      If the HAWT Kite is made large, each blade would consist of multiple Sharp Rotors, separated by swivels, with each Sharp Rotor spinning at its own RPM.

      Alternative: Instead of Sharp Rotors, conventional, streamlined blades could be used along with T-Rule pitch control, as I have previously described. I recently checked out if that type of pitch control works. I used a small, single-blade model and a fan. It does work as I recalled from my original experiment about 40 years ago. I used a tight cord and attached the base of the blade to that cord so that the blade was free to pitch. Once started, the blade continued to rotate while controlling its own pitch angle automatically. T-Rule blades could replace the Sharp Rotors, and no swivels would be needed because the mounting cord, as shown, would simply twist enough to allow the blades to pitch freely. Each blade would use a light cord to limit the amount of pitch during start-up so as to produce strong starting torque. If the blades were especially long, each blade could be divided into sections, with each section controlling its own pitch angle. That would create the equivalent of a twisted blade, but it would be far cheaper to make.

      A Note: Note the similarity of the rod frame to the shape of an eggbeater Darrieus rotor. The frame could be modified to function as a Darrieus eggbeater rotor. In that case, the Sharp Rotors would be used to start it. They would be placed closer to the long axis of the eggbeater rotor so that the blades of the eggbeater rotor would have a TSR that was much higher. Also note that this particular eggbeater rotor would function as a predominantly horizontal axis windmill.

      PeterS


      http://www.energykitesystems.net/SharpKites/Sharp_Rotor_HAWT_Kite_with_TCAT.jpg


      Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 21346 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/30/2016
      Subject: Re: PhD thesis on Kite Control online
      Dr. Fechner's dissertation's abbreviation legend: 
      Abbreviations
      AWE Airborne Wind Energy
      DTC Direct Torque Control
      FPC Flight Path Controller
      FPP Flight Path Planner
      KCU Kite Control Unit
      KPS Kite Power System
      LPV Linear Parameter Varying
      NDI Nonlinear Dynamic Inversion
      NMPC Nonlinear Model Predictive Control
      SISO Single Input Single Output
      WC Winch Controller