DougS replies hereon:

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A futurist plays big:

Graphene reveals yet another extraordinary property

DougS comments hereon
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Hunt is ALSO a crackpot wind turbine inventor:  Check out the following section that describes how his "improved" turbine uses DRAG - one of a thousand idiotic Savonius variants.  (Oh no, not again!!!)  I will just leave you with the following cut-paste and you can go on defending Hunt as a non-crackpot, revealing once again your complete lack of understanding of physics and engineering, LET ALONE aviation and wind energy.  Have fun - ignorance is bliss.  It appears at this point you are truly hopeless.  I mean truly a hopeless case.  I'm not exaggerating.  I'm amazed.  Once again I have reluctantly shown:   ~^"Everything you post is wrong"^~  Oh so so wrong.  You are showing with every further word that you are indeed a hopeless case!  There is literally no saving you!!!

New Vertical Axis Wind Turbine

           Robert Hunt is the inventor of a patent pending vertical axis wind turbine that is ideally suited for use by the new hybrid gravity powered aircraft. The wind turbine uses drag as the operating force. It alternates from an extremely high drag configuration to an extremely low drag configuration to more efficiently harness the power of the wind. This is accomplished by shutters that close to form a large sail area when pushed by the wind to create high drag to harness the power of the wind and then open to a very narrow surface area to cause low drag when rotating into the wind.

****LINK TO VERTICAL AXIS WIND TURBINE PAGE WITH VIDEO OF EARLY PROTOTYPE WIND TURBINE ****

(link does not work, par for the course)

~~~~ DougS

===============================Below are some moderator links:

Note: the missing page of the link featured at Hunt's site is available with historical views in Internet Archive; explore the various dates; there is a video, as well as versions of prototype for the drag turbine and its presentation pages. Click their upper date spots and then click the below calendar dates that indicate a version of the page was saved. The 2013 item seems to give a video of the drag turbine with low drag on the return sector.

• http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.fuellessflight.com/windturbine.htm 
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
• Some leads on Dave Santos
• Some leads on Doug Selsam
•  

A commenting person wrote:

"Mr. Hunt has received a great deal of attention in regard to his novel aircraft "the gravity-plane" that  flies powered by the heat energy stored in low altitude air then uses cold air at high altitude for heat rejection to compete a batch type of atmospheric power cycle of his invention. One of his long-term goals in life is to see the aircraft become reality and to fly."

Source-of-quote: http://deepheatpower.com/management.html

* Kite-system damping HG or PG landings may be done in many ways.     

 (Similarly, drones, powered aircraft, sailplanes may utilize a kite system for Safe-Splat operations.)

Here just one method with some sub-variations is mentioned now: 

Have kite system flying.   HG or PG flies to integrate itself with the kite system.
Choose next steps:
1. Consider designing total system so that HG or PG pilot may control the total integrated system to be slowly downed.
2. Consider HG or PG pilot climbing out of their wing and zip-lining down the kite-system tether to the system's anchor set.
3. Consider after integration a use of a pulley at integration point to let down vertically the pilot; then control kite system to let down the HG or PG wing.  Let down into a very small LZ.
4. Following the integration with the kite system, let the HG or PG pilot take an aloft nap. After the nap release from the integrated system and drop into gliding and soaring flight again; such cycles could be repeat. Various multiple HG or PG pilots could use the same main kite system for naps or lowerings.

Notice: Lowering the pilots could be rigged to produce electricity; the mass of the integrated HG or pilot will have upon aloft integration some potential energy; that potential energy could drive an electric generator or other good-works device.

​*​License: ​CC+ 4.x BY NC+ SA AWE IP Pool

~ JoeF

Doug S. comments hereon:

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Some people do not comprehend any of this.  Those are the "wannabe" engineers, who are not even capable of participating in an engineering discussion, let alone dominating it.

~~~~ Doug Selsam

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Hey Roddy:  Pretty funny.  Ha ha ha, good one.  :)

~~~~DougS

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Doug comments hereon the topic he started:

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***Doug replies: So why do you keep arguing an off-topic topic?  "Crank" is a topic YOU introduced in your gleeful frenzy to argue with my helpful truth-telling.  I made one post, illustrating an example of a crackpot.  It didn't require your comment.  Obviously, in retrospect, the danger is you can't tell a perpetual motion scheme from a legitimate one and rush to defend the crackpot.  "Par for the course, consider the source".  What else would we expect, really?

Showing people how to recognize crackpot theories is important work.  Especially in a field so rife with crackpots as AWE, it is doubly important, and is doubly on-topic, in the sense that in engineering, it is good to always recognize the crackpot syndrome.  They carefully taught us the symptoms in engineering school, and taught us how to separate the wheat from the chaff.  (You missed that episode of life.)  The rules are pretty simple, and it is cut-and-dried.  No mystery.  One of the big telltale clues is perpetual motion, as in using compressed air to power a compressor to compress more air, thinking you will end up with more compressed air than you started with, or as in traveling endlessly, with no actual source of energy, that sort of thing.  The fact that you can't tell the difference and defend any crank based on just wanting to argue with me, and without being able to discern a crank from a valid theoretician, is not my problem.  It is definitely your problem.  Maybe you should try to find more perpetual motion schemes to defend.  You might be able to turn it into a career.  There are a lot of other stupid people out there.

~~~~ DougS

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SoftBank Invests in Altaeros Energies’ Buoyant Airborne Technology

"US$ 7 million in Altaeros"

$7,000,000.00 in support of the BAT development ... a flygen LTA kytoon-holding turbine, an AWES sort.

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Thanks to Dave Santos for the lead on this news.

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Will Altaeros be permitted to diversify its design into other AWES methods different from the donut direction?

~~ JoeF

Disney's movie Big Hero 6 was viewed.

Very many frames showed the BAT.

Such publicity may be a strong asset for Altaeros

and now SoftBank.   Ride the image wave!

The movie images will be set into the minds of millions of people, including youth.

~ JoeF

News Release hereon:

SoftBank Invests in Altaeros Energies'
Buoyant Airborne Technology

Tokyo, Japan and Boston, MA, December 4, 2014 — SoftBank Corp. (“SoftBank”) and Altaeros Energies, Inc. (“Altaeros”) today announced a definitive agreement under which SoftBank invests US$ 7 million in Altaeros to support the continued development and commercialization of its Buoyant Airborne Turbine (BAT) technology.

Founded at MIT in 2010, Altaeros is leveraging proven aerospace technology to lift wind turbines into strong, consistent high altitude winds beyond the reach of traditional wind towers. Operating up to 2,000 feet (600 meters) above ground, the Altaeros BAT generates over twice the energy of similarly sized tower-mounted wind turbines. The BAT is transported in standard shipping containers and does not require a tower, crane, or large underground foundation for installation, eliminating many of the logistical challenges faced by traditional wind turbines.

“Altaeros' airborne wind turbine technology is a new and promising renewable energy solution for remote islands and locations in Japan and the Asia-Pacific region,” said Masayoshi Son, Chairman & CEO of SoftBank. “We also believe in the BAT's potential to create new businesses by combining it with communication and surveillance technologies. We look forward to working with the Altaeros team.”

The BAT's significant increase in energy output, combined with its flexible deployment options, significantly reduces the cost of electricity for remote sites. In addition, the BAT can lift other equipment high into the air, delivering services such as telecommunications to its customers. The Altaeros BAT has a wide range of applications, which include island and remote communities; mining; oil & gas; agriculture; and disaster relief.

“We are honored to partner with SoftBank, one of the world's most respected companies, to work together to commercialize the BAT,” said Ben Glass, CEO and CTO of Altaeros. “Led by Chairman & CEO Masayoshi Son, SoftBank's track record of business innovation, its commitment to increasing the deployment of renewable energy, and its successful partnerships with other top clean energy startups make it the perfect partner for Altaeros.”

About Altaeros Energies, Inc.

Altaeros was founded in 2010 at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to commercialize the world's first airborne wind turbine. Altaeros has received funding towards its wind turbine technology development from a number of sources, including the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the National Science Foundation, the California Energy Commission, the Maine Technology Institute, the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center, Cleantech Innovations New England, the ConocoPhillips Energy Prize, and the Alaska Energy Authority. Altaeros has also received funding from RNT Associates, wholly owned by Mr. Ratan N. Tata, former Chairman of Tata Sons. Altaeros is headquartered at Greentown Labs, a leading clean technology incubator located in Somerville, Massachusetts. For more information, high-resolution photos, and a demonstration video of the BAT, please visit http://www.altaerosenergies.com.

About SoftBank Corp.

SoftBank Corp. (TSE:9984), through its subsidiaries and associates, offers a comprehensive range of advanced mobile communications, fixed-line communications and Internet services around the world. With Sprint joining in July 2013, the SoftBank Group became a leading global carrier that now has over 100 million subscribers. Maximizing synergies across its Group companies worldwide, SoftBank aspires to realize lifestyle innovation through IT. SoftBank is also encouraging the adoption of clean and safe energy through its business activities. To learn more, please visit http://www.softbank.jp/en/corp/.

Image of Altaeros BAT (Sourced by Altaeros Energies Inc.)

Doug S. comments hereon followed by a comment from JoeF:

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If we take Mr. "AWE expert" at face value, the whole topic, to start with, was said to be (with no doubt acknowledged) "off-topic", so going on to spend a lot of time examining the life story of a guy whose idea was already deemed by "an AWE expert" to be off-topic, makes no sense.  It's more about falling for this "expert's" attempt to divert your attention to a slightly DIFFERENT off-topic topic, than anything else.  I suggest you don't fall for it.  This is typical of when certain people are about to lose an argument, they will do ANYTHING to change the subject.  Let's not change the subject from a technical discussion to the discussion of a person.  Thanks for considering this line of reasoning.
:)  ~ Doug Selsam

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Hi DougS,

      Please notice that I did not weigh in on the other topic, but to support as moderator the discussion as Hunt was being explored.   I was not ready to discount the topic as off-topic; usually I get more aware of the topic before discounting AWE relevancy.  Apparent wind on gliders is relevant to AWE.    Further, the fullness of Hunt might be needed to be aware of detail perspective about what energy conversions Hunt was suspecting for possible success of his gravity glider; Hunt's thermodynamic perspectives are not yet encircled by me, so I am not ready to close the door on that pointed topic.   The present topic about all of Hunt for possible AWE matter is indeed separate from the detail of his gravity glider item.   Having two separate topics is no problem.   If you do not want to know Hunt thoroughly, then that is acceptable; others might want to explore Hunt for possible AWE leads. Indeed, already kPower, Inc. has rights now over aeration of water by kite system as part of the aura effect of studying Hunt; it is guessed that rubbing Hunt will be part of an innovation process positing even further innovation.

      Please consider posting appropriately to each topic; the gravity glider is part of Hunt and has its topic already. The current topic hereon can go into each of Hunt's perspectives on energy conversions and applications. A fuller understanding of what drives Hunt to gravity glider might be obtained by careful appreciation of his various patents.  

     ~ JoeF

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You can google it and find plenty of links where the crackpot nature of this is debunked.  
Try googling "fuelless flight debunked":
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-9937.html

~ Doug Selsam

COA     (See links on that page for more information)

Certificate of Waiver

or Certificate of Authorization

COA is an authorization issued by the Air Traffic Organization to a public operator for a specific UA activity.

Want to operate an Unmanned Aircraft System   (UA  or UAS)

 in the National Airspace System (NAS)?

Registration of the aircraft and marking the aircraft may be required.

AWES teams may want to become at ease with the process of registering aircraft, marking the aircraft, and obtaining COA for flight activity.   Practice the process for a first effort. A second effort will probably be easier.

Not all aircraft or operations with aircraft require registration, marking, COA. AWES teams will want to know when the COA process is required and when such is not required.

For instance some cases where COA is not needed:

Tatsuo Urasaki on Kite-flying Toy

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Challenge:

Mine the motion of the toy device to make electricity.

== Consider linear generator

== Consider loop line on toy to drive ground-stationed electric generator.

== Consider _____________________________

~ JoeF

Device is up for challenges. Already the toy goes up and down

using energy from the wind. The line is kept taut by a kite lifter system.

The toy device is a line traveler. Travelers may carry mass and drop

the mass to fulfill works. But how might the traveling device generate

electricity during up and down travels? Flygen or groundgen?

"Measurements have shown that up to 200% of the required steering power can be obtained from the change in the tensile force."   http://www.google.com/patents/US7971545

Watercraft having a kite-like element                          US 7971545 B2

SkySails' Stephan Wrage instructs on having part of the tether be responsive to tensile changes in order to generate electricity for the control systems of a kite system using just one main tether for a towing kite system.

The device is aloft near the wing.  

[[Notice that we have long discussed in-tether generators or groundgens that respond to deliberating oscilling tensions caused by either active or passive control of the wing for both short and long stroke operations. Here in the Wrage teaching, the device is dedicated to providing just the electricity for driving remote control servos to control the towing wing attached to watercraft. ]]

News on KiteGen

Giant kites on the horizon as energy researchers look skywards

http://horizon-magazine.eu/article/giant-kites-horizon-energy-researchers-look-skywards_en.html

Some significant changes in our AWES forum:

1. Permanent ban is occasionally needed.

2. Moderatorship has just been reduced by two moderators. Also owner level has gone from three to one.

3. An urge toward higher fidelity to Yahoo! group posting policies is at hand.

4. Please have no one-on-one local social chat in this forum. Please use private email for personal matters.

5. The forum founding is on RAD.  Please aim for high density sharing on the challenges of RAD.

6. There are ways to post without keeping the tailed former posts present. We have the former posts. Please practice posting without including the former posts. Rather, cut and paste just quotes that are directly close to the matter in your focus. This will save our members' time.

7. Recall that RAD respects media of water as well as air or other gases or fluids.

8. Recall that electricity may be prominent as the radiance from AWES, but that other energy formats and works may radiate from AWES. Applications of AWES may be good works of high variety.

9. Consider composing your shares in your email program to control edits, give self-pause for the composition; give yourself control over Internet errors, and give yourself draft-copy chance to edit before sending the sharing.

10. Please research and give helpful informative links. Aim to present respect for opposing perspectives. Argue from first principles when appropriate.

11. Inform the moderator of things you want for the forum. Thank you.

~ JoeF

Clip from same patent:

http://www.energykitesystems.net/0/SkySails/US7971545Fig5part.JPG