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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15804 From: dave santos Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Pan-Pacific UAS test range to be AWES R&D Paradise

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15805 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Geoffrey Stevens

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15806 From: Rod Read Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15807 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15809 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15810 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Light and Lighting in AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15811 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15812 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-cat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15813 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-bird

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15814 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-cat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15815 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-hippopotamus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15816 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-cat

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15817 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15818 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite Jobs (partial review)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15819 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15820 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Speedkite Video

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15821 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Speedkite Video

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15822 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15823 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: In looking back at AWE from 2050 what one might see?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15824 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15825 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15826 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Speedkite Video

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15827 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Moderator reports

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15828 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Arches in Japanese book.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15829 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15830 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Arches in Japanese book.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15831 From: Rod Read Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Light and Lighting in AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15832 From: edoishi Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: 22 sq Meter Pilot flight test

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15833 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: 22 sq Meter Pilot flight test [1 Attachment]

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15834 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: CubeSat Standard for Kite Technical Payloads

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15835 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: CubeSat Standard for Kite Technical Payloads

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15836 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: KitVes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15837 From: dave santos Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Re: KitVes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15838 From: Rod Read Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15839 From: dave santos Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Positive Effects of Cheap Oil on AWE R&D

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15840 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Project: ERC HIGHWIND

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15841 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
Subject: Two wings on one line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15842 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: kites make safe

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15843 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: What new power looks like

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15844 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: Walking Kite Systems

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15845 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: Light and Lighting in AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15846 From: mmarchitti Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: KitVes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15847 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: VESTAS AWE Watch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15848 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: Two wings on one line

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15849 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: KitVes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15850 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15851 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15852 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15853 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15854 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
Subject: Vishal Mahajan, VentureStudio Fellow working in AWE




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15804 From: dave santos Date: 10/30/2014
Subject: Pan-Pacific UAS test range to be AWES R&D Paradise
A giant triangle comprised by Hawaii, Alaska, and Oregon has been designated by the FAA as a UAS "Test Range Complex". This vast remote zone encompasses R&D by mindshare leaders like Makani on Hawaii and Altaeros in Alaska, but also is a huge new Open-AWE playground. kPower's NW testing is shifting to Tillamook, OR, one hour South of Illwaco, and Pendleton, three hours East, in accordance to the FAA permitting. Near Space Corporation operates stratospheric LTA out of Tillamook, and has a strong interest in AWE. There is a lot of overlap in the high altitude aviation space, with similar hardware, tensile-membrane tech, and common payloads. AWE meetings are pending next week.

Meanwhile, My Tex-Mex Mom and Uncle were tasked (by me) with scouting Hawaii for "UAV-spotting" (GoogleX/Makani M600 testing at Parker Ranch in mind). Uncle has retired in Hawaii as a gifted amateur astronomer with Mauna Kea telescopy access, directly overlooking the Parker Ranch (and Ma has been visiting, and has returned with maps). It seems we can freely video maiden flight events from a ringside seat (this is ironically the world's foremost astronomical observation location; in the past we had to satellite-match terrain on Google-Earth to pinpoint "stealth-venture" Wing7 testing). Historical note- Large numbers of Mexican Vaqueros (a particular heritage) were brought in from the Tex-Mex borderland to found Parker Ranch 200 yrs ago, settled, and intermarried with Hawaiian Royalty. The big Island is also home of Pele, the Goddess of Fire.

Expect more news soon...



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15805 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Geoffrey Stevens

Electric power generation using a wind chute

www.google.com/patents/US8446034
Grant - ‎Filed Oct 13, 2011 - ‎Issued May 21, 2013 - ‎Geoffrey Stevens - ‎Geoffrey Stevens

This device will generate electric power using wind current as long as the wind is sufficient to inflate and move a chute to a predetermined point ...

And 

Use of a sea anchor using river current to generate ...

www.google.com/patents/US8450870
Grant - ‎Filed Oct 7, 2011 - ‎Issued May 28, 2013 - ‎Geoffrey Stevens - ‎Geoffrey Stevens
A power-generating system using sea current and sea anchors provides a constant source of renewable clean energy. The device will not ...

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15806 From: Rod Read Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
I was given an old version of this book recently.





You've found one that's not in there well done Dave.

Have a virtual biscuit, roll over and I'll scratch your virtual tummy now.
:)


Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15807 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
Some video: 

and
and
and
and 

THE DOG WHO FLIES KITES!!!!


Dog flies FFAWE .... 1974   Curtis, the hang gliding dog


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15809 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
Very oppositely, Doug S.. 
Differently, the note on AWES and dog has some of the following positive growth aspects: 
  • The rapid shares in the forum spiced with special AWES application shows a confidence in our AWE industry growing. 
  • An industry that does not integrate favorably with animal life may suffer. AWE will integrate with animals in many positive ways 
  • Dogs may tug AWES that produce electricity or light for operations in various special scientific or recreational circumstances. 
  • In AWES-supported aerotecture we may see dogs playing some first roles aloft. The dogs may perform operations better than some humans. 
  • Dogs may be part of the ground-security operations of an AWES operation. 
  • Dogs and AWES are already supporting the public relations effort as regards AWE. 
  • ... 
  • easy to find even more positive streams for dogs in the AWE RAD environment. 
Best, 
  ~ JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15810 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Light and Lighting in AWES
This topic thread intends to have general light and lighting studies and discussion as regards AWES. It is expected that branching to specific issues for depth attention will form individual topics. 

Add questions that help to bring forward concerns. 
Scientific papers may be linked. 
Practical applications of light and lighting in AWES and by AWES are invited. 
Other guides will be welcome. 

==========
Starting: 

Some subspaces in the general topic:
  • Light-emitting diodes are making inroads to AWE in many ways. Each way may be mentioned and followed to inform. 
  • Day light is no little player in young AWE. 
  • Lack of day light is a big player in young AWE. 
  • AWES of tethered sort may emit light within the anchor set. 
  • AWES of tethered sort may emit light from the tether set. 
  • AWES of tethered sort may emit light from its wing set. 
  • AWES may be illuminated from outside sources, both by natural and artificial means. 
  • Solid-state lighting is advancing and will probably make inroads to AWES. 
  • Lights may signal status of AWES parts. 
  • AWES may be dedicated to converting the wind's energy into light of various strengths, densities, colors, wavelengths; and such for use in many ways (transmitting gained energy, cutting, illuminating aloft or ground objects or areas, ... )
  • The light of sparks from electrical discharges may be deliberately arranged or tolerated or managed. Care for what causes sparks may be important for safety and the life of an AWES.  
  • AWES may be use to give aloft light displays in very many ways: video, still images, artistic display, serve celebratory fireworks, carry television programming, support advertising and propaganda, ...
  • Flygen electricity may drive night aloft lighting systems.
  • Ground-served electricity may drive lighting in aloft parts of AWES.
  • Color of lights may smartly serve aloft wing status.
  • Event entertainment may be served by lighting served up by AWES. 
  • Multiple parabolic AWES-held surfaces might be smartly kept focused on a single aloft or ground point in order to give multiple suns' light to effect heating of objects for various purposes. 
  • Some light-forming arrangements will be producing heat; designers may need to manage that heat in various ways; some ways may give secondary benefits, say in warming occupants in AWES-supported aerotecture inhabited devices (special clothes, room, surfaces). 
  • Moonlight and AWES wings
  • AWES wings blocking light. See forum on shading matters.
  • Conspicuity rules for aircraft including AWES. Solutions? Devices?  NextGen aviation and lighting matters related to AWES?
  • Hazardous light and lighting related to AWES. 
  • Aloft light sensors and reporting systems. Detect ground-based fires that are emitting light; have the AWES report the changing  light scene to appropriate systems and people. 
  • The light of ground fires might guide smart fire-fighting AWES to urgent service over the light-heat spots. 
  • Put LED lamps on the tips of the blades of a super-long ST branch for night flying ST promotion (DSelsam, please send royalty; thanks)
  • Use bioluminescence in some AWES.    Or/and have AWES smartly detecting presence of animals emitting their light; report the occurrence and density to scientists or others. 
  • In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.[12][13] 
  • See laser cutting concern where the cutting is done by AWES works; see forum search. 
  • Humans often can see AWES because of the visible light related to AWES parts. Such seeing may be pleasant; however AWES farms may need to be concerned how communities "see" the operations; such matter has been important in much of conventional wind power. 
  • Chemiluminescence may play roles in materials used in AWES.
  • In promoting AWES era and systems, light patterns may indicate the amount of energy be converted by an AWES. Viewers may quickly see such interpretation of what the AWES is doing.
  •  Photoluminescence may have many uses in AWE. 
  • Light will play a part in the ground security aspect of AWES operations. Security alarm lighting will play. Security guard dogs might be attired with lamps to identify where they are; when the dog moves, intruders might be excited by the moving light; supervisors might trace the dog at night by the lamps on the dog. 
  • Microwave radiation may play roles in AWE.   We have displayed some patents involving this matter for AWES. 
  • AWES technicians will be wearing lamps when they work at night or in dark places in ground stations. 
  • Standards about color and light strength for safety lighting will guide designers of AWES. 
  • Illumination of fencing, perhaps upon sensing motion, may play role for the safety of AWES plants. 
  • Solar energy conversion surfaces in wings and on other parts of an AWES plant will play roles in K3 energy production. 
  • AWES at utility scale of electricity production will interface with companies that are often designated as "Light & Power" companies.  People generally appreciate that the wonder of home light comes from the power companies. AWES may play in this realm by being attentive to light matters. 
  • Border control by light from AWES may play a role in governance. 
    ?
    ?
Some starting teasing links:
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15811 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
Doug wonders what a kite dog can have to do with wind energy (?). After all, a dog can only pee on a wind tower base. However, kite flying is Wind Powered Aviation. As such the aviation aspects are real challenges, in order to operate in wind power mode. For example, the wind is often calm at the surface, but blowing nicely further up, so special kite launching means are used to get to working altitude. We have tested and documented many different approaches- LTA, winch towing, tow vehicles, catapults, tracks, etc.  Our collective proficiency and knowledge grows by relentless varied testing, and training kite dogs to assist AWES launch is on the list.

We have developed methods for massive cascaded launches of entire kite farms initiated by a single toy kite or party balloon. Similarly, a single dog has the potential to perform launch initiation service for a kite farm, although the method would likely be a  choice for remote low-tech niches (like muck-spreading app). Testing the dog method is sure to be fun and informative for anyone who also understands kites as a deeply human activity. How fun it will be to dog-launch against Makani and win in a fly-off. The dog is more robust and smarter than a high-tech control system.

kPower's Illwaco Kite Dog was rescued from the local shelter. His name is Pilot. His back story is that of a high-dollar service dog left in limbo by government budget cuts. During the last two years, Pilot has shown exceptional aptitude for kite-flying, and is highly competent in many of the team skills (working the kite in gusts and lulls, avoiding tangles, and negotiating obstacles), obeying a basic set of flying commands. He is good in water and on a small boat, for kite sailing sessions. It is expected Pilot will be an Ace flying kites with special needs kids (Kite + Dog Therapy), in World Kite Museum programming. Doug can mock Pilot and his daily routine of pioneering AWE R&D, but as a superior creature, Pilot would only give Doug warmest regards.




On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:56 AM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15812 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-cat

Consider an electronic mouse driving a cat holding a kite.

 

PierreB

http://flygenkite.com


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15813 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-bird

Consider a kite-cat trying to catch a kite-bird...

  • Studying algorithms for mimization without derivatives, gathering the two systems
  • Then adding oscillating components making the two systems intersecting
  • ...
  • ?

 

 

PierreB

http://flygenkite.com


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15814 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-cat
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15815 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite-hippopotamus

Consider a system working both in water and air.

  • What are suggestions about the weight of chosen hippopotamus?
  • Ratio wing area/ hippopotamus weight
  • Studying of ratio immersed mass/not immersed mass
  • ...
  • ?
  • !

PierreB


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15816 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-cat
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15817 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus
Happy Halloween to all in the AWE Community


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15818 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Kite Jobs (partial review)
We have long discussed the AWE Labor topic in depth, and there has not been much more to add, but its been a long while since the last discussion, so the following is a summarized-review, and maybe new topical aspects will emerge-

============================

Working on early Kite Energy is a lark; for many of us its the "best job we ever had". Nevertheless there is a deep division in the AWES R&D community over the future role of human labor. A prominent view is that an AWES should be a "launch-and-forget" system, completely autonomous, with no human supervision required, just as small wind farms already operate.

The less known view is that the FAA requires flight crews for AWES UAS, and that AWE is currently best done like "sailing-in-the-sky", with human workers required for such complex dynamic operations. Reliable total autonomy will require a long time to perfect, so manual wage labor is a favored basis for early AWE. Sailing-in-the-sky on a vast scale could quickly employ around 30 million workers; an early Forum estimate based on industrial fishing and logging similarity models, where a fairly constant ratio exists between worker and manageable mechanical forces (1-5 MW per worker). The same ratio roughly applies to legacy power generation.

This is a good situation, given that the world population desperately needs meaningful productive jobs. Replacing fossil-fuels and nukes with kites, for a sustainable clean-energy civilization, is a noble cause. Manual AWES work is mostly fantastic outdoor jobs with a fun adventurous character. NIMBY opposition to wind towers might give way to enthusiastic kite job creation.

Industrial automation dependence creates less jobs, and they tend to be dull factory routines, or numbing mind work at a computer. Composite kiteplanes are crafted by dirty toxic processes, and the jobs are "not fun". Low complexity rope tethers and untailored SS fabric sails can be made fast in vast quantity by automated lines, so most of the jobs are outdoors, and more like sport.

Kite jobs are the best ever, but its still a challenging profession, with many lessons from pilot unions and general labor history. The secret to winning the AWE race may boil down to who has the best trained and happiest work force delivering the highest safety and performance, for the lowest cost green energy. Societal policy may even opt for the jobs of low-complexity low-capital-cost AWES over competing capital intensive autonomous AWES tech. Its our job to prepare the way; preventing potential abuses by adopting and promoting best labor practices.
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15819 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus
Pierre can still get his idea patented, even with the prior art-



Here's a way to create Doug's vision of Unicorn Gardens in the Sky-




On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:09 PM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15820 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Speedkite Video
Gives a strong impression of ongoing progress in high-speed kites, with obvious lessons for AWE-


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15821 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Speedkite Video

http://www.gods-inc.de/ae/r2_1.jpg

by   Andre Eibel


"Andre Eibel" speedkite - Google Search


~JoeF


tags: speed kite, speedkite, fast kite, rapid kite, rapier speed kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15822 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
Intended reply from Doug S follows [My moderator copy and paste inadvertently left out a leading sentence which is included in this repost below. Please adjust reading and response to reflect the now-present first sentence of his reply.]
================================================

At the Crestline Hang Gliding site, we see hang glider pilots routinely bringing their dog or spouse up with them.  So routine it's almost like nobody notices.
Then I guess the question for anyone serious about AWE becomes "What the heck does any of this have to do with wind energy?"  I guess by this juncture, such questions are not even relevant, right?  One more example of AWE "quietly going away"...
:)
Doug S.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15823 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: In looking back at AWE from 2050 what one might see?

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/vintage-space/atomic-pin-girls regards

a costume matter for atomic matters.   Will 2050 rear-view scratching find

some equivalent costume?


Will the Mega-Scale energy machines have their say?

Will there be AWE parades in the view?

Will Las Vegas have a history of betting on which topologies will win certain races?

?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15824 From: benhaiemp Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

No patent, no search report, only CC. Licensed CC 4.x BY NC SA by myself as self proclaimed inventor.

 

PierreB 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15825 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
Doug is short of real evidence in support of his negative bias. AWE is not "quietly going away" just because one anonymous fisherman imagined a dog can launch a kite.

All the serious AWES R&D trend-lines continue to point up-up-up. There is far more talent, money, and publicity than ever before in AWE. Most teams continue to scale up and improve designs, and more new better-qualifed teams* enter than go away. Whether the next round of large prototypes, like GoogleX/Makani's M600 crash or triumph, it won't be a "quietly going away".

* Doug overlooks all the new AWE R&D teams emerging in the last two years, like e-kite as a new entry into AWE from conventional large-scale wind power. Magenn and USWindLabs seem to be the only AWE contenders "quietly going away" (no news at all).




On Friday, October 31, 2014 1:05 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15826 From: dave santos Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Speedkite Video
On close inspection of the JPG linked, its a bit surprising how crude the wing is, with considerable drag features evident (thick exposed crossbar, exposed wingtip nocks, thick bridling, etc.).

The simple secret to its amazing performance is high wind and high strength construction (about 5x a normal delta kite). In high wind, there is plenty of power to counter the drag, and the strong frame does not fold-up, so it flies fast, but at a relatively low "TSR". There are small curved ribs to hold the airfoil form, and anti-flutter TE battens. Another aspect of these speedkites is the rather long line sets. The kite flies higher and straighter crosswind, and only the top section of line is really high drag, so the kite is not slowed linearly with line length. Longer lines do slow steering inputs more linearly, and everything is happening faster, so there is a practical limit to line length.

Small well made parafoils (ie. Flexies) are not far that far behind this performance. There remains plenty of potential to create far faster delta speed kites, with a higher L/D, but they will have to be as clean as the super-hot DS gliders (not counting line drag) to reach high TSR performance. Note that these wings crash a lot; bad news for hot kiteplanes like Makani and Aympx propose. There may be some spectacular secret speed-flying videos of Makani's abandoned flying wings, reported to have crashed.


On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:57 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15827 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Re: Moderator reports
1.  The forum's front-page description has changed. 
Majorly, see the lower paragraph of the description. 
Thank you. We look forward to continued growth
and great adventure. 

2. Non-members may post via moderation by sending notes 
to the group's owner.  However, joining is easy. Welcome. 

3. Keep deleting duplicative message tails when posting!
We still have some distance to go to achieve this the target.

~ JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15828 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/31/2014
Subject: Arches in Japanese book.

Kiteguy presented six pages showing some arch techniques from a book he had:

http://www.ikeclub.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1097&start=20


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15829 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-hippopotamus

PierreB, are you forming something for CC or CC+ ?That is, for conventional copyright or for technology in the CC+ movement?   Did you want to disclose more detail?

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15830 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Arches in Japanese book.
These are "classic" Ohashi arches able to fly in any wind direction, as conceived two or so decades ago. We see that Ohashi also envisioned multi-arch, iso-dome, and iso-spider configurations (call it a "spider" when the center is pulled down (loaded) of a radial-legged dome). DaveC proposed flying rope with the same properties as Ohashi kite-matter, except of soft-kite construction (when DaveC related this idea to me, he did not seem aware of Ohashi, whose book and "invited kite flyer" trail I found at the World Kite Museum).

Now these ideas are in serious play as AWE and Aerotecture enablers, via KLG, AWES Forum, and kPower. Iso-dome and iso-spider derivatives seem to offer a megascalable basis for AWES. We see the expected evolution of AWES concepts over time, and the future only looks brighter with each advance in kite knowledge.

CC+ 4.x BY NC+ SA


On Friday, October 31, 2014 10:38 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15831 From: Rod Read Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: Re: Light and Lighting in AWES
A single strip of LED's can produce amazing persistence of vision effects if it's moving fast enough and you switch the LED's appropriately.
http://www.monkeylectric.com/
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=monkey+electric
Leading edge of a fast AWES unit seems apropriate.

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15832 From: edoishi Date: 11/1/2014
Subject: 22 sq Meter Pilot flight test
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    A welcomed cold front in Austin gave me a great opportunity to launch kPower's 22 M^2 Pilot Kite designed by Peter Lynn. It was a pretty straight forward flight session with a few interesting notes.

    We were looking at upwards of 20 mph winds so we choose to secure the big kite to the bumper of a truck.  The initial roll out confused me a little because the kite, on the ground, was so big.. I ended up launching it upside down and, while it did fly, it was a rather sorry looking affair. The kite rose up about 20 feet and wafted back and forth. Just as I was becoming disappointed, however, the kite flipped itself over and took to the sky...

    From there on out it was business as usual.  As can be seen from the picture of me landing the kite, it has a very simple 3 line bridle (with very long lines), 4 big cells, and a pair of keels on the outside (upside down, the keels folded down deforming the overall shape, but allowing the kite to fly).

    One last note: I pulled the kite to the ground and watched how it attempted to relaunch.  Because the cells are so tall, the top skin fell down over the opening and prevented the cells from filling with air. Furthermore, these flaps became like sails pushing the kite downwards.  So it never relaunched itself.  Perhaps it would have in time, given the chaos of the wind...

    Ed


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    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15833 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
    Subject: Re: 22 sq Meter Pilot flight test [1 Attachment]
    Not bad for a dirt-cheap lifter. It is ugly by festival standards.

    Large parafoils do self-relaunch, but not nearly as well as sleds. Ilwaco SkyMaster Penny Agee is always telling her husband, Jerry, to just wait for large parafoil self-relaunch in sucker-wind, but he likes to charge out and relaunch by hand. These kites do sometimes find stuck-states and require brief attention, but could tolerate some misbehaving units in large arrays.

    Where is that kite field? It looks pretty nice and open. Hoping for a picture of the FAA Red and White stack flying high, and the results of tests on the list (lift/wind curve).


    On Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:44 AM, "edoishi edoishi@yahoo.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15834 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
    Subject: CubeSat Standard for Kite Technical Payloads
    Many CubeSat applications are directly applicable to kite flight, like shock and vibration ruggedized high endurance self-powered multi-sensing, imaging, data-comm, tracking, etc.. Kites would ba a good way to test some aspects of actual space kitesats. Its an increasingly COTS small and light hardware format for safe cheap flight tech (1kg can do a lot these days). We will spread small packages across our meshes. Kite flight is not as size-constrained as a rocket payload volume, so we are free to bulk out our hardware with fall-safety padding and arrange it to suit, but stay within CubeSat component family and mass restriction when the validated applicable standard is wanted.



    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15835 From: dave santos Date: 11/1/2014
    Subject: Re: CubeSat Standard for Kite Technical Payloads
    Forgot to mention high-altitude balloon instrumentation connection (and ruggedizing for weather rather than rocket launching and vacuum).

    Amazing hack w/ 11gr payload-


    CubeSat already does LTA-




    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15836 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: KitVes
    Note: See just one "e" in the trade name for the project.  KitVes  is the proper name. 
    Note: We have some former notes in the forum on KitVes. Use serarch tool over "KitVes" and also the misspelling with "KiteVes", else some notes will be missed. 
    Note: The project had an original 36-mo duration.    Did the project's momentum generate some enduring strands of work?  The involvement of many partners in the project may have encouraged the partners to involve in AWE further. 
    Note: Here is a link that is very general over the string "KitVes"     http://tinyurl.com/KitVesGENERAL     [[2800]]

    Reports from the KitVes partners are invited to the AirborneWindEnergy forum. Reports on detailed lessons are equally embraced. Multiply the benefits of the project!

    KitVes
    The original project had apparently a 36 mo duration. However, one wonders what might be happening with the flow or momentum the the project installed. 

    The website seems to have a stall. Through reading of the site's "articles" brings out some interesting matters. At pages, consider looking at lower right for a link to get another "next article" in the sectored series.  
     

    ================================= 

    FORUM POST3944 in August 2011:::::--In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@yahoo.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15837 From: dave santos Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: Re: KitVes
    We seem to be seeing a similar dynamic to EU AWE R&D subsidy as the US, where BigGgovernment throws money at the most over-promoted private actors, rather than spreading it widely in academia and over many start-ups. In the EU case, Saudi Royal Family capital is added to by the EU Commission, and in the US case, Google capital is added to by the US DOE, with all other players, including the merit-leaders, getting no subsidy. In both cases, subject matter experts cannot see winners being picked, but a sort of smoke-and-mirrors obscured lack of results.

    Maybe here is a bit of novelty for the EU KitVes 3 million; kite stack concept art with the kites set improperly aft of the beam, strongly suggesting systemic technical shortcomings within the program. Small wonder there is no success to report-




    On Sunday, November 2, 2014 8:23 AM, "Joe Faust joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15838 From: Rod Read Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: Re: Kite-Dog and Tennis-Ball Kite Launch Method
    Dogs beat humans into space too remember

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15839 From: dave santos Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: Positive Effects of Cheap Oil on AWE R&D
    A kite energy mentor predicted in 2007 that 100 dollar a barrel oil  would greatly stimulate AWE R&D. We soon saw 100, but the "great recession" also kicked in, so no big boost materialized, just modest steady R&D growth. Now the US economy has mostly bounced back, and oil is also cheap again, so its deja-vu.

    The conventional wind industry is taking a big hit. T. Boone Pickens has sold his wind interest at a loss, but declares, "Wind will have its day"; that he was merely "too early" in market timing (Oct. NPR interview). The need to replace oil for clean renewable energy remains more urgent than ever (the latest UN climate science report is more dire than ever). Those in AWE with specialist backgrounds in wind and aviation, who worry about climate risk, and strive to mitigate it by AWE, are unmoved by oil prices and economic cycles. We do not "go away", but stay "quietly" in the race.

    Positive effects in AWE of cheap oil is that purely profit-centric developers are shaken out, leaving the more dedicated developers to carry forward with less competition for R&D funding. Our kites and lines are made of oil, so they cost less. We see a pattern of excess oil money filtering into AWE R&D (Shell, BP, Exxon, SABIC, etc.), whether for strategic diversification and/or greenwash PR. It is redemptive for Big Oil to finance renewable energy as its legitimate successor, so long as harmful monopolies are prevented. Massive adoption of AWES will ultimately be a large airborne carbon-sink for cheap oil.

    Perhaps my mentor was right about expensive oil favoring AWE, but cheap oil is not so bad after all. AWE R&D is now far better established than 2007 (~10x growth), and seems only to advance, no matter what the oil market and macroeconomic climate brings.


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15840 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: Project: ERC HIGHWIND


     [[PROJECT] HIGHWIND - Simulation, Optimization and Control of High-Altitude Wind Power Generators
    Ref.: 259166
    Start date: 2011-03-01, End date: 2016-02-29
    Programme: FP7-IDEAS-ERC
    Record Number: 98087
    Last updated on: 2013-12-11


    Moritz Mathias Diehl 
    KU Leuven
    ==============================

    This page contains all our publications on Airborne Wind Energy

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    The project's web sectors as of November 1, 2014:
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15841 From: Joe Faust Date: 11/2/2014
    Subject: Two wings on one line




    Two wings on one line

    [But notice that when three or more wings are involved, then sectors of such system have two wings involved.]\


    Two wings on one line


    This topic thread is dedicated to the history of two wings on one tether.

    Invited are the histories of two aircraft of any sort on one tether at any time in history. Contributions from early LTA wings might play; instances from model aircraft certainly may dance; cases from all ages of kiting may come to the party; military facts can come to the party here; etc.  Two wings on one line in any configuration: train, coterie, cluster, arch, tree.  References would be nice. Drawings too. Dynamics too. Specifications?  PTO?  To powered aircraft on lines powered by ground-based batteries?  Toy, sport, military, kiting, parachuting, drogues, gliders, industrial aircraft, experiments, ... Note that "anchor" may be moving or fixed, human or machine, flying or not flying, falling or not falling.


    Start notes: 

    Some obvious topologies (about which we seek historical drawings and photographs or descriptions with references: 

    •   Two veering sub-kites of equal sub-tether lengths coming off one line to anchor. E.g., Fig. 3 of US3987987 by Peter R. Payne, Charles McCutchen, circa 1975.  The Fig. 3 has two balanced kites with their own tethers anchoring aloft to a single point where then one tether holds the two sub kites.The entire system is one kite system with two wings.    
      • "A variety of structures are known which will follow prescribed paths, tacking across the wind such that the motion of the structure itself generates forces on the tethering cable to facilitate the generation of useful energy. Alternatively, the use of propellers on board the self-erecting structure with the tether serving as an electrical connection from an on board generator can be used. By the use of known control techniques, the self-erecting member can be kept in a prolonged flight status. Also, the efficient transfer of energy from the tether to electromechanical devices can be used to effectuate the generation of energy."

    • Two veering sub-kites of unequal sub-tether lengths coming off one line to anchor.
    • Two looping sub-kites with equal length sub-lines coming off one line to anchor.
    • Two looping sub-kites with unequal length sub-lines off one line to anchor. 
    • Two wings mounted on one line without bifurcating in simple train style with top wing and lower wing. 
    • Tow two mounted gliders from one line where each glider branches off from a meeting ring with its own sub-kite tether. 
    • Two-bladed HAWT coming off one hub; the two wings (the two blades) involved are often designed to be balanced as they rotate about the hub; the hub as the one line is tensed while being quite rigid; the working wings (blades) drive the rotation of the main line (hub) which next is often coupled to shafts that drive electric generators. 
    • Control-line flying of wings on lines (aloft powered as well as electric powered from base batteries may be explored.   Consider having two human pilots considered as an integrated team (line) flying from same center; I have seen two human pilots and three human pilots integrating in a dance that is special; see contest video for a delight. 
    • Two wings bridled and then integrated to one line to anchor; have the two wings touch and sometimes even bonded side-by-side or top-and-bottom. 
    • Dual-towed gliders whose separate lines meet at a single ring which is tethered to the tug aircraft. 
    • Glider Dual Tow RAF Halton
    • Two drogues with their lines meeting to a ring to an anchoring line.
    • Two towed boats in the various topologies of their lines to a tug boat. See some of the above obvious alternative topologies. 
    • One water skier using two wings, one one each leg-foot is kited by the one main tow line to the boat. 
    • Two distinct water skiers towed by one power boat. 
    • Two fishing lures or paravanes on one line in the various obvious topologies. 
    • Two kytoons with sub lines to one main line in the various obvious topologies. 
    • Two kytoons on one line in the various obvious topologies. 

    • The tree of fighter kites has sectors with two fighter sub-kites in such sectors. 
    • Trains and arches with two or more wings have sectors that hold two wings on one line. 
    • World Waterski Record Run 145 Skiers Official Team Video HD (one boom base; feat feasible from one line)
    • Some toys:  Clackers ... two balanced sphere each with its own tether to a ring; then the tendon of the person would operate the flights of the two wings. 
    • Two wings on a line when one of the wings is a lifter wing using the main tether, while the other wing is a line traveler wing using the main tether. 

    Patent Drawing
    • Two balanced wings on either side of center where the center material is attached to one line. 
      • The two balanced wings may be non-rotating wings.
      •  The two balanced wings may be rotating as VAWT with rotating axis traverse to the wind and often parallel to the horizon.  E.g. US280106
    • Also, the two balanced wings may be flapping passively or driven by an artificial power device.  Rotor wing pairs kited as an integrated system;left wing independently rotating from the right wing.
    • Two approximately HAWT wings on one line via rotor kite, e.g .US2675199   The two wings may be balanced. 
    • Two wings in Savonius integration kited by one main tether, e.g. US3255985 
    • The two wings on one line through a ground pulley set (or or more pulleys).  
    • Dave Santos has many systems with two wings on one line. 
      • E.G. Line wings under lifter pilot wings. See action video by him of two wings on a line:   toyawecsb  is one-second video.
      • Another example: Easy to put two the following wings on the same one arch line: Tarp Flying from a Gang-Line  is a three-second video. 

    ... a start, 

    Lift, Drag, Rotate, Pull, Push, Pound, Drop, Pick, Place, Ride, Transport, Travel, Serve, ...

    ~ JoeF


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15842 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: kites make safe
    http://video.ted.com/talk/podcast/2014S/None/SergeiLupashin_2014S-480p.mp4

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15843 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: What new power looks like
    No direct talk of AWE... bit of ariel photography again..
    But definite hints toward open structure organisation of massive scale infrastructure projects for the benefit of all.

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15844 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: Walking Kite Systems
    The feet of a walking kite system are critical study points.
    They must provide a means for load support ( Lift as a kite VS Weight bearing as a human + shocks in each case)
    They must provide a means for friction resistance ( Drag holding as a kite VS grip as a human foot + or - desired amount)
    • Walking and running imply cyclical foot contact. As one foot disconnects a loading the other(s) must take up the load.
    • Sliding - skating - skiding - skiing constant variance of contact. Feet continually try to engage the correct amount of resistance for overall body dynamic.

    In walking a kite needs to engage anchoring. Easy if an anchor field is set up. The Earth is not a natural anchor field unless you use trees as anchors. Engaging pile anchors / bags/ rocks and trees with strops can be done by drone with onboard reel and connection control. But plodding walking is far from a sprint.

    In terms of using this analogy over the sea ...  skidding seems most appropriate and quite simple... a submarine tethered hydrofoil-paravane foot can rise or fall whilst moving in any azimuth.
    Thus allowing skating even into wind. Just imply the correct sway on the tether by pointing the foot. A kite-mesh body as a whole probably skates better (side to side) into wind than it does plunging and rising.

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15845 From: Rod Read Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: Light and Lighting in AWES
    Simple solution... maybe a bit expensive, but in the bulk we are considering...
    Reflective lines
    http://www.cleats.co.uk/cl606rl30-30-metre-reel-of-4mm-diameter-reflective-guyline.html

    Rod Read

    Windswept and Interesting Limited
    15a Aiginis
    Isle of Lewis
    UK
    HS2 0PB

    07899057227
    01851 870878


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15846 From: mmarchitti Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: KitVes
    "BigGgovernment throws money at the most over-promoted private actors, rather than spreading it widely in academia and over many start-ups"

    The solution offered for the problem will make the situation even worse.


    ---In AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com, <santos137@...
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15847 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: VESTAS AWE Watch

    Trace VESTAS and its AWE interface in this topic thread.  Of course, openly VESTAS is invited to post herein. In lieu of such, notes are invited as time marches forward. 


    Start: 

    • From our AWE office, some questions to VESTAS about their AWE research were not answered; this was several years ago. No need to write again. 
    • Dr.  Chris Spruce was listed in KU Leuven meeting day of Sept. 5, 2013, as a member of the HIGHWIND Scientific Advisory Board (SAB)
      • "The SAB Members are:

        Stephan Brabeck (SkySails CTO),
        Damon Vander Lind (makani, technical director),
        Dr. Chris Spruce (VESTAS, senior specialist),

        Prof. Dr. Florian Holzapfel (TU Munich, Chair of Flight Control)"

         

       

       

      • Exploring editorial:   What is occurring in the secret back rooms of Vestas? How might the infrastructure that is the habit of Vestas flow into AWES?  How might Vestas IP find use in AWES?  
    What else?  In time there will be more.  What other nods or interfaces with AWE is occurring by Vestas?


    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15848 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: Two wings on one line
    Nice Rod!
          We join his post about the tethered quadcopter to this topic thread, as there are (two and more wings on one line): 

    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15849 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: KitVes
    Mario,

    You wrote: "The solution offered for the problem will make the situation even worse."

    There was no specific "solution offered" here for the phenomenon of Big Government favoring Big Hype in AWE. Better government is the general solution proposed. So how about 5000 small school grants to college students around the world to study and create open transparent AWE knowledge? Surely a grand harvest of better AWE ideas would have resulted. The transparency and diversity by itself would be a huge "solution", in keeping greedy players more publicly accountable, and forcing them to be more competitive technically.

    Better government of this kind would only be worse for the few self-serving insiders who spent these two Big Government AWE subsidies in deep corporate secrecy, with lots of waste, and cover up the weak results. Better government would be wonderful for everybody else! Lets hope we can someday study exactly how these public millions were spent, and exactly what the engineering-science results were, to see who is right. Of course you have the advantage of inside knowledge of KGR's program and spending, and are arguing from that bias. No wonder if you think it would be worse if EU Commisson AWE spending was spread far more widely.

    At least we no longer worry that this pattern of US and EU spending will create a dominate monopoly in global AWE, but its sad to see so little for the public money spent in the name of AWES R&D,

    daveS


    On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:56 AM, "marchitti@hotmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15850 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch
    HighWind turns out to be have a strange shadowy side that most of us had no idea of. We only find out belatedly about a Scientific Advisory Board (SAB), and its mysterious "internal closed door meetings". This backroom dynamic may explain a lot about lopsided EU AWE programs, apparently as driven by insider business dealings as open engineering science norms. A cosey relation to AWEC conference insider manipulation seems evident. No wonder AWEC pay-to-play culture is no problem for HWSAB.

    A probable dynamic is that elite insiders favor specific AWES R&D spending, without the risk of open third-party competition, like fly-off testing, with all contenders allowed, which would give an equal opportunity to the excluded parties. Insider advantage in AWE is not a viable long-term strategy, as the winning paradigms are only be temporarily slowed by insider dealings. It may be an EU-centric ideology is the an "ethical" pretext here for the insider tactics, but lets await any explanation offered

    Here is the old list of the HighWind SAB directors, but how this cabal came into being and its actual effects are mysterious. Why and what were they hiding behind closed doors? What is happening now with these hidden processes? There is a social duty to history for all AWE insiders to finally reveal what goes on in their exclusive circles, and how its justified.


    Stephan Brabeck, CTO of SkySails, Germany. SkySails is a 
    leading company on ship propulsion with towing kites with 
    interest in electricity generation
    Damon Vander Lind, Chief Engineer of makani power, a leading 
    company in airborne wind energy (in place of Corwin Hardham) 
    (talk today)
    Prof. Dr. Florian Holzapfel, Head of the Institute of Flight System 
    Dynamics, TU Munich, one of Europe’s leading groups on flight 
    dynamics and UAV control (talk today)
    Dr. Chris Spruce, senior specialist at VESTAS, one of the world’s 
    leading wind power companies


    On Monday, November 3, 2014 8:42 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15851 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch
    Vestas
    sponsors kiteboarding:  See announcement.
    "The BKSA are proud to announce Vestas " No 1 in Modern Energy" as Headline Event Sponsor for the Freestyle Event at Barrow in Furness ."

    Vestas
    Vestas Global Shop with Vestas Kite:   See Here.

    Vestas
    We have priorly visite the Vesta SailRocket project. 
    See the 2008 News Release re: SailRocket.  

    Editorial comment:  Envision such IP hung from Mothra racing in vertical ladder of the like Dave Santos described within the week or so in forum.  How are those in Vestas looking at the race to higher wind via AWES?  Will Ditlev Engel polish his "diamond" with energy from flying tethered wind turbines? One may wonder what Mr. Engel is thinking about when he sees such notes as this in the midst of conventional wind power articles: Google Flying a Kite? (Oct. 10, 2014).

      

    ~ JoeF




     
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15852 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch
    It takes time to grow something from seeds. Ponder the seeds of such articles as this 2010 note:
     Will the Netherlands Rule High-Altitude Wind?  wherein Vestas is mentioned.   What is in the Vestas AWE Nursery?  
     
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15853 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Re: VESTAS AWE Watch
    Joe,

    This thread is bigger than VESTAS, to include the role of all gov and biz giants in AWE v. all small-player Open-AWE movement.

    We can already take due credit for helping make sure that AWE is fully open to all, while all the hopes (& fears) for a private or national AWE monopoly seem to be increasingly in vain. The strangest aspect of the current phase of global AWE R&D is the growing disconnect between Open-AWE design theories about large-scale AWES, and the side-show of poorly-scalable concepts that wealthy private and government subsidized efforts haplessly down-selected.

    Its more and more looking like Open-AWE can prevail without any of the supposed advantages of major government or corporate support that the AWE stealth players have squandered; but we still have to work very hard and smart to bring our viral crowd-sourced solutions to TRL-9. We may never get our epic fly-off fantasy, as the losers fade away quietly, but we can perhaps found a fully viable technology that grows itself mostly uncontested.

    The real contest is whether Open-AWE can outdo itself in finally taming upper-wind. The next R&D round will be a truly epic energy-aviation adventure, for the properly prepared,

    daveS


    On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15854 From: dave santos Date: 11/3/2014
    Subject: Vishal Mahajan, VentureStudio Fellow working in AWE
    VentureStudio fellows will be coached by an international team of faculty from Ahmedabad University in collaboration with Center for Design Research at Stanford University. We are also partnering with Indian Institute of Management (IIM) Ahmedabad, Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Gandhinagar and National Institute of Design (NID).


    Fellows

    • Vishal Mahajan

      Vishal Mahajan

      Vishal is an explorer with interests in engineering, music, nature & travel.
      Previously, he was employed as a civil design engineer with Reliance's Mumbai Engineering Centre in Oil/Petrochemical sector.
      Currently, he is pursuing his fascination of harnessing high altitude wind energy with kites. It is relatively difficult to find him on world wide web's social networks.