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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15702 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Kite Generator Set

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15703 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15704 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15705 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15706 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Felix's Record Broken by Google Guy

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15707 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: What exactly is the hold-up in AWE?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15708 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Paper study for AWES matters: VERTICAL EXPLORATION USING TETHERS

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15709 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15710 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15711 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Big-Cat-Kite Method

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15712 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: A Wood Kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15713 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Kite-Balloon History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15714 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Balloon History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15715 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15716 From: dave santos Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15717 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15718 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15719 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15720 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15721 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15722 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15723 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Burning Issues

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15724 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15725 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: "a kite"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15726 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15727 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: RIEGLER GEROLD DIPL ING [AT]; RIEDLER WILLIBALD PROF DIPL IN [AT

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15728 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Lothar Louis Pohl

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15729 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Joonbum Byun with flying generators

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15730 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: How the lack of energy storage has favored AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15731 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Joonbum Byun with flying generators

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15732 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Display only, not for flying.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15733 From: Rod Read Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: How to safely scale Makani, Ampyx or AWE others

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15734 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Tethered Things (non-AWES) may gift to AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15735 From: Rod Read Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Tethered Things (non-AWES) may gift to AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15736 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Design, Modeling and Control of an Actuation System for Airborne Win

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15737 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Design, Modeling and Control of an Actuation System for Airborne

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15738 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Lava flows

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15739 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices, and

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15740 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Microburst and AWES

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15741 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Just Hang It!

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15742 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices,

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15743 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15744 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices,

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15745 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15746 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15747 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15748 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: How to safely scale Makani, Ampyx or AWE others

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15749 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15750 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Tipping TeePee Iso-Dome and Pilot-Lift

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15751 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Lava flows




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15702 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Kite Generator Set
Doug is unaware that the ancient Chinese "puddle jumper" rotor is the essentially the invention of the modern propeller and HAWT rotor, and that his own ST (the Darrieus-stage version) is anticipated by Chinese VAWTs, and that the Chinese Lug Sail, Chinese kites, sailing-wheel barrow ("land yacht"), etc. most inventions still in current use. Its Doug that is flip-flopping here about denying Chinese wind tech.

-----------  personal lament ------------

Can anyone recall Doug ever once corrected himself or apologized in all the years of smearing others in AWE? How sad the loss of Forum participation by nice folks like Dan'l, Brooks, HarryV, and so forth; deeply personal losses Doug seems not to understand his role in, nor care about. I apologize for having first invited Doug onto the AWES Forum, since it was clear from the start he had no AWES engineering solutions. All that has resulted is unprofessional emotional distraction from urgent technical problem solving. If Doug has ever made any inventive or other technical contribution to the Forum, I do not recall. His AWE seems far more oversold than anyone he has ever insulted. I feel sorry for JoeF trying to moderate Doug, as he shows no remorse, nor accepts responsibility, for his dismal track record. Everyone else has moved forward or left AWE.


On Friday, October 24, 2014 4:51 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15703 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 5, 2002

Contact: Kerry T. Nock (626-345-1200)


ALTADENA, CA – Balloons outfitted with innovative steering devices and robot probes could be the future of planetary exploration. Dr. Alexey Pankine, a fellow at the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC), presented an analysis of balloon applications for planetary science at the World Space Congress in Houston, Texas last month. His study, entitled Directed Aerial Robot Explorers or DARE, is funded by NIAC.

At the center of the DARE concept are balloons that can float in planetary atmospheres for many days. Balloons have long been recognized as low-cost observational platforms and are routinely used in observations of the Earth’s atmosphere. In 1984, two balloons were successfully deployed in the atmosphere of Venus for a short mission. However, what has restrained the wider use of balloons in planetary exploration was the inability to control their paths in strong atmospheric winds. Attaching an engine to a balloon would convert it into an airship and make it too heavy, too power dependent and too expensive to send to another planet or high into the atmosphere.

Faced with this problem, Global Aerospace Corporation has proposed to use an innovative device called the StratoSail® that allows the user to control the path of a planetary balloon. The device is essentially a wing that hangs on a long tether (several kilometers) below the balloon. Strong winds and denser atmosphere at the wing altitude create a sideways lifting force that pulls the entire system across the winds.

The DARE concept analyzes the use of the StratoSail® device on several planets in our Solar System that have atmosphere – Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Titan (a satellite of Saturn). Dr. Pankine reports that a small, light wing will pull the balloon with a velocity of about 1 m/s across the winds on those planets. This may not seem much, but applied constantly (without consuming any power!) for the duration of a long mission (100 days) it would allow for pole-to-pole exploration of the atmospheres of Venus and Titan, and targeted observations of Mars and the vast Great Red Spot of Jupiter.

DARE platforms would carry high-resolution cameras and other instruments to study surfaces and atmospheres of the planets. Dr. Pankine envisions small probes being deployed from DARE platforms over a site of interest. These robot-probes would, for example, analyze atmosphere during their descent on Venus and Jupiter or crawl around after soft landing on the surfaces of Mars and Titan.

“The ability to alter the flight path in the atmosphere and to deploy the probes would vastly expand the capabilities of planetary balloons and make possible breakthrough observations that are not feasible with any other platform,” says Dr. Pankine. The figure illustrates a DARE platform operating at Venus.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15704 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE


Prototype StratoSail® Flight Path Control System29 March 2002

ALTADENA, CA - Global Aerospace Corporation announced today that it rolled out a full-scale prototype StratoSail® balloon flight path control system on March 16, 2002. Funded by NASA, the prototype could be used to control the direction of travel of NASA's stratospheric balloons. Currently balloons simply drift with the wind. A StratoSail® balloon flight path control system is a lightweight and low-power means of steering balloons. Nothing like it currently exists.

 

The StratoSail® balloon flight path control system takes advantage of the natural difference in wind speed at different altitudes in the atmosphere. The wing is suspended 9 miles below the balloon gondola using a long thin tether. It hangs on end, so its "lift" acts sideways rather than upward as in an airplane. The sideways lift force drags the balloon across the wind and enables the balloon to be maneuvered towards regions of interest or away from unfavorable conditions with a small velocity change applied over a long time.

Computer simulations and operational experience show that without trajectory control long-duration stratospheric balloons can driftvirtually anywhere: over politically-sensitive areas, over high-population density areas, away from desired payload recovery sites, or even into the other hemisphere (north or south). The StratoSail® flight path control technology will be used to divert balloon flights around uncooperative countries and dangerous weather systems, or even for interplanetary missions such as steering balloons at Venus, Mars or Titan. By providing control over the balloon's direction of flight, the StratoSail® system will enable new science observation strategies, increase safety, reduce balloon launch and landing complexities and increase the probability of successful payload recovery.

The prototype StratoSail® balloon flight path control system consists of a wing assembly, winch system, and 9.3-mile long ultra-lightweight tether. The wing assembly includes a 18-ft long by 3.6-ft wide wing and a 8-ft long by 2-ft wide rudder, constructed of lightweight composites, which is attached to a 20-ft long tubular aluminum boom. The entire prototype wing assembly weighs only about 125 lbs. The 9-mile long flight tether, developed by Cortland Cable Company, weighs only 26 lbs. A winch system testbed has been built and tested to simulate the characteristics of a system designed to lower a wing assembly from a balloon gondola at 22 miles in altitude to about 13 miles altitude, still above controlled airspace.

Future uses of the StratoSail® balloon flight path control system include controlling the trajectories of networks of a few to hundreds of stratospheric balloons that act as a huge sensing platform from which a variety of concurrent science observations can be made.

For more specifics,Global Aerospace Corporation - Balloon Trajectory Control

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15705 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Mars ballooning using kite system. FFAWE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 9, 2004

Contact: Kerry T. Nock (626-345-1200)


ALTADENA, CA – Balloons outfitted with innovative steering devices and robot probes may be the best way to perform detailed surveys of Mars in preparation for human exploration.

Dr. Alexey Pankine, a project scientist at the Global Aerospace Corporation, is presenting an analysis of balloon applications for Mars exploration at the Space Technology and Applications International Forum in Albuquerque, NM on February 10, 2004. His presentation, entitled Mars Exploration with Directed Aerial Robot Explorers, is based on research funded by the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts.

At the center of the presentation are guided balloons that can float in the Martian atmosphere for months. Balloons have long been recognized as low-cost observational platforms and are routinely used in observations of the Earth’s atmosphere. In 1985, two balloons were successfully deployed in the atmosphere of Venus for a short mission. However, what has restrained the wider use of balloons in planetary exploration was the inability to control their paths in atmospheric winds. Attaching an engine to a balloon would convert it into an airship and likely make it too heavy, too power dependent and too expensive to send to another planet.

Faced with this problem, Global Aerospace Corporation has proposed to use an innovative device called the StratoSail® balloon guidance system that allows the user to control the path of a planetary balloon. The device is essentially a wing that hangs on a long tether (several miles) below the balloon. Relative wind differences between the two altitudes create a force that pulls the balloon across the winds. Dr. Pankine reports that a small, lightweight wing can pull the balloon with a velocity of about 1 m/s across the Martian winds. This may not seem much, but applied constantly (without consuming power) over a 100-day mission, it would allow for pole-to-pole exploration, as well as targeted reconnaissance of possible sites for human exploration on Mars.

Guided balloon platforms would carry high-resolution cameras and other instruments to study the atmosphere and surface of Mars. The extended range of guided balloons can provide opportunities for highly adaptive observations during science missions. Just like rovers, if an interesting site is found, a guided balloon platform can be commanded to observe it. However, the range of the guided balloon is the entire planet, not the immediate vicinity of a rover landing site. A guided balloon can deploy a small rover, miniature geo-chemical laboratory or a small navigation beacon at the site of interest with greater precision than if it were delivered from orbit.

Rocket-propelled airplanes are also being considered as a means of surveying Mars; however, such airplanes would only make pre-programmed flights over very limited areas which makes them ill suited to meeting global or regional reconnaissance objectives of future human exploration. “The ability of long-duration guided planetary balloons to alter their flight path in the atmosphere, to deploy surface probes, and to carry out detailed reconnaissance make them a very powerful tool for future Mars exploration,” says Dr. Pankine. The figure illustrates a guided balloon platform operating at Mars.

 
Figure 1. Representation of Guided Balloon Platform Floating over Mars.
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15706 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Felix's Record Broken by Google Guy

Gliding kite system brings the record breaker home.

NYT article, Oct 24, 2014, about Alan Eustace and his approx. 25 mile AGL fall cushioned by a kite system.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15707 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: What exactly is the hold-up in AWE?
Anyone currently scaling up successful AWES experiments knows firsthand that ensuring flight safety is the critical factor. The forces in our prototypes have in recent years passed from painful to potentially deadly. Those who complain (in vain) that AWE is developing too slow seem unaware that aviation safety has become the key professional AWES engineering concern. Aviation pros know they can make AWE at ever larger scales safely, but there is no shortcut nor room for error. We must earn our wings honestly, to be granted airspace.

The probable pace of FAA-certificated AWES emergence will closely follow the rate of previous progress in aviation similarity cases, from the emergence-to-maturation of ultralight and LSA classes, to the design cycle of a jumb-jet; a matter of a decade or two. Starting from an AWE foundational milestone, like HAWPcon09, and given the ongoing passion of AWE developers, we are on schedule for an Energy Aviation Revolution, but lets keep it safe.






 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15708 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Paper study for AWES matters: VERTICAL EXPLORATION USING TETHERS
P.W. Bartlett, S. Heys, Z. Drozdowski, T. Kennedy, and M. Wagner


====================
Tags for AWES matters: tether, robotic tether systems, Aerobot, tension sensing, robotic spooler
Notes: Robotic AWES in niche applications
 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15709 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15710 From: dave santos Date: 10/24/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Lets not forget the Nebraska kids-

 


On Friday, October 24, 2014 8:17 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15711 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Big-Cat-Kite Method

Method License: Those using the following intellectual property for gross sales of over $1,000,000 within

one year are to send 3% of gross sales to Big Cat Rescue is caring for big cats and ending the trade.    CC+


    Ward off big cats during hikes and treks by using kite systems that remain visible and make some noise and light as wanted. Tune the size and action of the kite system for best results. Test result reports are invited. Satisfaction in using this Big Cat Kite Method will depend on the user's chosen arrangement. I am not responsible for any injury or death that may occur from big-cat attacks while using the system. 

Some image files: 

PS:  Walking inside the wing of a kite system will give some protection from big cats. 

PPS: Caution: Some cats might be attracted to some kite systems. Choose wisely. Avoid those systems that attract the big cats. 

PPPS: Avoid wing figures that look like lunch to a big cat. 

PPPPS: Do not use a kite system that failed to keep a big cat away from you; change the design of your system. 

PPPPPS: Avoid the wing designs that you find being flown by cats. Those cats may have already negotiated with a pilot. 

PPPPPPS: Included in this disclosure is an alternative Big Cat Kite Method where the human situates in the sky and uses a kite system that walks across the lands by one of several known travel methods. 


~ JoeF



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15712 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: A Wood Kite

A Wood Kite


Have you constructed a Wood Kite?

Used in electrical-production works? 

Or other purposeful endeavors?


The instructor grasps protection for all "folding" kites in 1853, 

not just the couple of drawn and featured methods

which are choice in themselves. 


~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15713 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Kite-Balloon History

Kite-Balloon History

The aim of this topic is to explore the history of kite balloons and then sift that history for advancing RAD. We have some posts on kite balloons, kytoons, inflatable tethered wings, and hybrid kite systems that use elements that are balloons. Note that HTA and neutrally buoyant and LTA balloons for tethering are included. And involve the flying media of water as well as air or other fluids and gases on earth or beyond or inside commercial processes or inside living bodies.  There has been commentary that argue that LTA tethered balloon wings may not "win" certain AWES contests, but still win some niche contests. Scale will play its role. COE and ROI will dance tunes in any system. Recall that a balloon may be filled with most any matter in most any state or phase. Recall that balloons come in sizes from nearly invisibly tiny to larger than football fields. And recall that FFAWE hybrid systems may involve kite balloons in a variety of ways to accomplish tasks. Having a robust history is one kind of start toward seeing where kite balloons may play in AWES.  Along the way many technologies will be involved; lessons sifted might be applied even in non-kite-balloon AWES. There are yet unseen advances in balloon-wing making that might surprise and serve good purposes in the future; note teases to the future while bringing forward the history.   From time to time drop a discussion note into this topic thread. Eventually this collection may hold some keys for satisfactory solutions in the K3 Era of AWES.


Starting:

I propose that any tethered balloon set in the wind obtains a L/D profile, stable or unstable. This permits one to examine the challenges of handling balloons in wind. Blow down would imply low L/D, even possible negative L/D.  Balloon history probably will provide many tethering scenes (where kite ballooning will be extant). So, feel free to sift various early ballooning histories for tethered situations of interest. Explore the early instances of FFAWE with a hung human as lower kite-system wing where the upper kite-system wing was a large LTA bulbous low-L/D wing balloon. Etc.


Explore the FFAWE kite system where the lower kite wing was a water raft and the upper wing was a LTA hydrogen-filled kytoon.  On this point I offer now:  https://www.google.com/patents/US2398744  "Kite Balloon" by Domina C. Jalbert, circa 1945.   His primary focus in that instruction regards rescue at sea. In his teaching we notice his sending energy from low to aloft and having some of that energy form radiation in hopes of having remote persons notice the location of the person wanting to be rescued.  Further analysis of his teaching could be beneficial to RAD. It is instructive to notice how he engineered a niche solution. He already had significant kite balloon service via the barrage-balloon works.

http://www.energykitesystems.net/KiteBalloons/EarlyKytoon22.jpg  Two tethers in the wind; fairly low L/D wing; man-lift for purpose fulfillment; at that time the wings in such LTA kite-balloon systems did not build in the higher L/D shapes.

~ JoeF

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15714 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Kite-Balloon History

It may be helpful and consistent to join prior posts that reflect some kite balloon history. Please do such to help completeness.


In that light:

  • "Magenn"  kite-balloon AWES.  Place the term in our group's search box while you are signed into the forum in order to get many posts where the term is mentioned.  The feature Magenn AWES is a rotary-wing VAWT flip-wing kite balloon with rotation axis set generally traverse to wind and approximately parallel with the apparent horizon.

  • "LTA Windpower"  has some posts.

  • "Ever-Up" will bring some on-topic fruit when searched in our forum's search tool


 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15715 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Or that Domina C. Jalbert's 12-yr old daughter went aloft and took photographs.

Reference: March 1958, Popular Mechanics.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15716 From: dave santos Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Pocock lifted his family. Marco Polo witnessed a man-lift ceremony for ship voyage divination.

There seems to be a trend of Caribbean Islanders making giant Island Kites and using the world's best winds to man-lift.

Eastern Europe seems to be keeping alive the dangerous practice of man-lifting with power kites while tethered to the ground. Its quite easy to get killed if the sole hot kite gets out-of-control or line tension suddenly drops. Spread anchor lines (like an arch) and a pilot-lifter/power-kite tandem rig might make this a safe-enough thrill.

All in all, our Aerotecture ambitions seem to match the times, as hundreds (mainly winch-tow HG-PG) take to the air on tethered wings.


On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:51 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15717 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

A great plenty of people were kited aloft via the Ski Kite

...plans by Ken Tibado Kite Factory of Florida.

Popular Science - Aug 1968 - Page 134 

Build and Fly this Fabulous Ski Kite

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15718 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History
Early 1960, many people were kited aloft in the NASA Paresev program with the Rogallo-influenced and John Worth-influenced bi-conical flexible wing, even Neil Armstrong,  first man on moon. Many of those released to glide.  Following such for that wing type came the Rogallo ski kites before 1963.  Then the 1963 ski kites where people were kited aloft with boat towing.  Delta ski kiting was popular in parallel with the kite hang glider movement of same type of kite wing.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15719 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

Found article and photograph of her, Dorothy Jalbert.

Popular Mechanics, October 1943, page 13.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15720 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

http://www.kitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Kite-Lines-v1-2.pdf

Kite Lines, Summer 1977, page 14, has another photograph of Dorothy Jalbert in a chair while lofted.  The article written by Valerie Govig and Robert M. Ingraham: "Person-Lifting Kites"

The article describe some other ascents by kite by women, including Pocock's daughter. as DaveS , mentioned in this topic thread.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15721 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History


The sad inadvertent ascent to a fall leading to death occurred for kite leader Steve Edeiken.

Steve Edeiken, d. September 4, 1983. He was from my  home town at that time, Venice, CA.  



 The paraglider community and kite hang glider community and sky-diving-gliding-kite community (all free-flight kite systems) have lost well over a 1000 persons to deaths related to their sporting actions in the recent four decades. 


AWES aims to forward purposeful kiting safely, sobered by the above.   AWE often will be dealing with energies far surpassing those known in K1 and K2 era.  Our new K3 AWES Era  has had a good record; may we keep vigilant.

~ JoeF


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15722 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/25/2014
Subject: Re: Man-or-Woman-Lifting History

http://www.energykitesystems.net/ManLifting/MyAdKiteLines1977.JPG

Please note that the address in the ad and the products are out of print.

The address is NOT valid now. Make no orders relative to this archival reprint

of my ad.

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15723 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Burning Issues

The following method is protected under CC+ Technology License under the agency of kPower, Inc. during the next 20 years from this date, October 26,2014; the moral and legal rights equivalent to patents in patent systems; all agents are directed to respect this arrangement of progressive creativity that allows very significant use of the intellectual property before reaching fair and equitable thresholds of commercial use of the involved protective technology. Upon cessation of kPower, Inc., the same rights revert to the inventor: Joe Faust. The below disclosure is up for contest and revealing of counterexamples; any aspect or subclaim remaining after counterexample disclosure will remain a valid protective matter. With attribution and reference to this license, the text of the following disclosure may be duplicated anywhere without further notice or communication; one way to do such is simply to give the URL of this posted message. If the disclosure can be fairly shown to be wrapped by obviousness by those skilled in the arts, then the protection might be emptied; it is prayed that users of the following method will play fair with respect to moral rights; thank you.


For practical purposes burn materials while those materials are held at altitude in an atmosphere by kite systems.

The novel method may solve some unsatisfactory burning tasks that are executed at ground level.

Also, the novel method provides rapid infusion of atmospheric oxygen for the burning process. The method may be used in specialized manufacturing processes. Also, the method may provide waste management in urgent health crises. Also, the method may provide a source heat for some Aerotecture arrangements. Also, the method may join positive wild fire management. Cremation of dead bodies using this method may be a choice by some persons for human or animal subjects. Many other practical objectives may be served by this subject method. Those skilled in the arts will envision other uses of the method; all such are intended in this claim and included in this prayed protection.


For meditation, entertainment, play, it is recognized that burning candles or small fuels have been sent aloft in balloons that may have been tethered in kite-like manner; such activity gives light and noise. Signaling by the light has also been in prior art. Burning fuses to start scientific data collection or for release of objects is in the prior art.   It is also recognized that kite systems have held celebratory fireworks, say to celebrate the Fourth-of-July day in the USA.; similar burned fireworks have occurred in the sky on kite systems in other nations for centuries. Dropping burning fuses of weaponized containers of fuel has been noted in the prior art. These factual burning processes just named were not envisioning commercial burning, disease eradication burning, Aerotecture habit heating, fire fighting, cremation, etc.   The novel method of this disclosure provides new solutions not priorly disclosed.

~ Joe Faust, aka JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15724 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues
Its a rather broad claim. Note that internal combustion has long occurred aloft, including in combination with tethers (ie. handline model aircraft).

A bit more broadly yet, you may be claiming industrial oxidation aloft as the app. Given the high availability of O2 at the surface, and the added cost of flight, its a niche market most likely...

Only H2 burns clean enough, by modern best-standards.


On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:44 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15725 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: "a kite"

To be clear: "a kite" or "a pilot kite" is frequently meant by some skill in the attending arts as "a kite system" or "a pilot kite system" wherein the noted "a" system consists of a resistive set, a tether set, and a wing set wherein each of those essential sets may have one or more members. That is, be ready for "a pilot kite" to allow a subassembly dedicated to serving as pilot kite or pilot lifter wherein one may find that the tether set could be more than one and that the wing set of the "kite" may consist of more than one wing.  That is, e.g., "a pilot kite" might be a kite that is a train kite with two wings in it or a kite that is a cluster kite with wing in the kite. Perhaps three or 10 or 100 wings might be within one single pilot kite.

~ JoeF



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15726 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Please, a correction:

Error: " a kite that is a cluster kite with wing in the kite"

Correcting to:  "a kite that is a cluster kite with two or more wings in the cluster."


Note: A cluster kite may have a greater variety of topologies wherein the one cluster kite there might be found two or 20 or 500 or more wings tethered in various ways.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15727 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: RIEGLER GEROLD DIPL ING [AT]; RIEDLER WILLIBALD PROF DIPL IN [AT
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15728 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Lothar Louis Pohl

(LTA, but with a technique twist ...)

Circa 1987, by Lothar Louis Pohl, of Canada

GB2212563 (A)  -  Balloon mounted wind- power plant





Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15729 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Joonbum Byun with flying generators
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15730 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: How the lack of energy storage has favored AWE
If mass energy storage existed in a perfected format, then early solar and wind energy dominance would have likely have killed current AWE R&D, in effect strangling our poor newborn in the cradle. The delay in solving energy storage has given us a providential window to leapfrog conventional wind and solar. With the promise of greater capacity-intensity at lower energy-unit cost, AWE is very much in the game right now, having tapped deep roots into the storage gap crisis.

Its fun to see the surviving old-timers who were deep into kites forty or fifty years ago, so newly excited about AWE (much as our non-green counterparts are celebrating Fracking). In our time, the parafoil has popped up as a racehorse, as well as the Net, and the second (or third, forth, or fifth) Kite Golden Age is well underway; the most splendid yet.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15731 From: dave santos Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Re: Joonbum Byun with flying generators
An ingenious Asian-American AWE patent to rebut USWindLabs' stereotypes. This is an unusually pragmatic AWES trade-off of all-modes capability and KIS in suitably cartoonish schematic form. The world is inventing AWE before our eyes, and EU, US, or Asia are just members of the same team. Expect wonderful contributions from everywhere.


On Sunday, October 26, 2014 7:42 PM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15732 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/26/2014
Subject: Display only, not for flying.

There probably will be AWES scale models made for display only.


Show the public, show students, props for presentations, window decorations, wall decorations, teaching tool, ...

Here is a quote from an ad for such an item:

"Small sizes dragon kites, suitable for display, like hanging on the wall. Not recommend to fly."


Tasks being accomplished with scaled terrain, etc. may be depicted on table-top scenes.



See a tease toward the topic:

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/greggw/2008722211329_K65.jpg

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15733 From: Rod Read Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: How to safely scale Makani, Ampyx or AWE others
We have started the development of workable scalable isotropic lifting. This has important implications for all AWE developers.

This enables objects to be lifted, held and moved within a mostly downwind domain by a morph-able lift line network.

The combined force vectoring within this network determining static balancing of the load(s) being supported.

How does this apply to Makani, Ampyx & others?
1: (single unit WECS under isotropic lift framework) Existing single point failure modes can now be removed with downwind or extra upwind securing...
In the case of Ampyx this could also imply advantage from being able to run a yo yo pumping cycle on a single loop of line (tether from back of wing to downwind top, to bottom of foot to base start of loop).

or

2: Multiple instances of WECS can now be expected to coordinate close formation manoeuvres without excessive computational requirement.
In the case of Makani, Ampyx or any rigidised wing developer consider you're now able to host multiple instances of your device on one tether, with multiple tethers around a ring flightpath (roughly as bottled tornado model)
Ampyx yo-yo ing in this model may look like a jelly fish expanding and contracting (pulsing up and down wind whilst spinning about pulling a collector tether)
Makani development would appear to be many simpler makani like wings set to chase each others tails around tethered loops. (collectively electrifying the loop tethering grid)

Using isotropic lift networks for a giant zip slide will be more fun though.

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15734 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Tethered Things (non-AWES) may gift to AWE
Those skilled in arts of tethering things may gift to AWE. This topic thread explores non-AWE tethered things in search for arts that may gift AWE.

Start: 
     For centuries tethering animals built up arts that may tip AWE.  Here is a teaser from that realm: 

AWE discussion note: 
Consider replacing the cow with a wing set in the wind. 
Consider installing PTO at the pulleys for electrical generation. 
Note that upon such tweaks, the poles may be replaced by ground-hugging (even buried) generator stations. 
Have the wing set passively tug crosswind.  Or have the wing set pull out and then relax in cycles.  AWE!
~ JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15735 From: Rod Read Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Tethered Things (non-AWES) may gift to AWE
Tethered robotic pen is already useful for AWE when plotting or cutting massive sheets
http://hackaday.com/2013/11/06/plotterbot-hangs-on-your-wall-to-work/

Rod Read

Windswept and Interesting Limited
15a Aiginis
Isle of Lewis
UK
HS2 0PB

07899057227
01851 870878


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15736 From: Joe Faust Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Design, Modeling and Control of an Actuation System for Airborne Win
Past project proposal. Professor: Manfred Morari      Students: 1     Status: Done

Proposal page:

Design, Modeling and Control of an Actuation System for Airborne Wind Energy System

====================================
ONGOING ACTIVITY:

Then on that proposal page is a link

that branches to full information on the Airborne Wind Energy Group
at Automatic Control Laboratory.   SEE their papers, team, and links.
IFN
"Automatic Control Laboratory (Institut für Automatik, IfA) is a part of the Department of Information Technology and Electrical Engineering (D-ITET) at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zurich, Switzerland. We are located in the central campus, close to the city centre."

All members of the group are invited to explore communication opportunities availing through the AirborneWindEnergy group hereon.

~ JoeF
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15737 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Design, Modeling and Control of an Actuation System for Airborne
Typo. The stray "IFN" does not belong in former post. 

Only:    IFA     or    ifA

Thanks. : )
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15738 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Lava flows

How might AWES serve people, land, animals with respect to lava flows?


Could AWES work to cool lava-flow fronts causing dam formations? Use the wind energy to transport water to the front of lava flows; cool and harden the front. Keeping such going until the land is built up so the lava finds another route that might be more wanted. Explore such regarding the current lava flow in Hawaii. 

Hawaii Lava Flow Steadily Advancing Toward Pahoa; Residents Told To Prepare For Evacuations - weather.com


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15739 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices, and

License: *


AWES-hold remotely operated shears.  Have AWES give power and hold hung smartly placed shears or other cutting tools (cutting hot gases, power shears, laser cutters, drills, abrading agents, cutting chemical agents, high-pressure water or slurry jets, and the like)

Use converted wind energy to form power (electrical, hydraulic, pressured air) to run held power shears. The shears would cut objects, cables, pipe, and the like. Hazardous scenes may need items cut.  Visual sensors may be employed at the shear end of operations; feed to live operators the visual circumstance where cutting or destruction is needed.

~ JoeF, October 27, 2014.


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 * License:

*The above method is protected under CC+ Technology License under the agency of kPower, Inc. during the next 20 years from this date, October 26,2014; the moral and legal rights equivalent to patents in patent systems; all agents are directed to respect this arrangement of progressive creativity that allows very significant use of the intellectual property before reaching fair and equitable thresholds of commercial use of the involved protective technology. Upon cessation of kPower, Inc., the same rights revert to the inventor: Joe Faust. The below disclosure is up for contest and revealing of counterexamples; any aspect or subclaim remaining after counterexample disclosure will remain a valid protective matter. With attribution and reference to this license, the text of the following disclosure may be duplicated anywhere without further notice or communication; one way to do such is simply to give the URL of this posted message. If the disclosure can be fairly shown to be wrapped by obviousness by those skilled in the arts, then the protection might be emptied; it is prayed that users of the following method will play fair with respect to moral rights; thank you.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15740 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Microburst and AWES

Microbursts and AWES

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microburst


How much warning might an AWES farm have with respect to microbursts?

Sizes of microbursts?

Flying in the horizontal flows?

Was THAT a microburst or some other wind structure that slammed the wings into the ground?

http://www.bom.gov.au/storm_spotters/handbook/images/photo8.jpg\


~ JoeF


 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15741 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Just Hang It!

Just Hang It from an AWES.

Want to just hang an object out in the air? Why? To cure it, dry it, let it be seen, age it, expose it? Test UV damage of objects? Give thrill sessions to people? Let animals get up out of the killing heat of near-ground living? Give yourself a cooler place for day office? Pinata party? Gifts? Movie screens? News display? Advertising? Recovering TB patients? Wet laundry? Fog catchers? Stinky rags? Counter weights in pulley systems? Bird-feeding platform? Water bags? Sandbags?  Devices to blow out a fire that won't react to other methods? Goods during kite transport?


What would you just hang from a working AWES?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15742 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices,

Following reply is by Doug Selsam:

======================================

Cutters, demolition on kites, not novel:

"Fighting kites" have cutters in the form of glass on the string, and a couple days ago I posted my idea for a kite to drag a hook across the ground, right here in this list (demolition).  So, sorry, your idea is not novel and you can forget anyone paying you a "royalty".  Also, a child once lofted a pair of rounded scissors to see if he could lift a weight using his 18-cent paper kite from the grocery store. 


This is a simple illustration of how your thrust to create a new patent system where you pay nothing and yet all cash flows to you as a reward for your daily brain-dumps, has not been thought through all the way, and, like most wind energy "inventions" rather than being new, merely regurgitates the incomplete state of development as it existed thousands of years ago, before these arts (kites,wind turbines, energy, patents) were developed beyond the infant-stage.

~ Doug Selsam

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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15743 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Following reply is by Doug Selsam:

==================================

JoeF wrote:  "The following method is protected under CC+ Technology License ... during the next 20 years... " -JoeF***       
 I'd like to claim partial authorship for JoeF's license, and hereby request 5% of Joe's percentage under the following rationale:
1) Joe was apparently not aware that CC applies only to copyright and related material, not patents.  It was my pointing this out that resulted in:
a)  Joe's new addition of a plus sign ("+") after CC, and:
b)  Joe's new addition of "20 years" to match the duration of a patent.
Therefore, since my insights (actually reading the CC link offered by Joe, and responding to the reality of it) were instrumental in this new invention licensing paradigm, I am therefore a founder of the concept of the "CC+ 20-year" paradigm, and so, to be fair, I should get 5% of everyone else's 5% that uses this method to receive royalties.  C'mon now, fair is fair, right?
Thanks, and, like JoeF, I will patiently await my incoming checks from conscientious inventors around the world.
This will be a lot easier than having to check for novelty, file patents etc., so I can't wait for all the moolah to start rolling in.  I assume someone will magically coordinate all this, check for novelty, , document who has rights to what, exactly, nudge the "licensees" to pay, etc., all for no pay.
Thanks JoeF.! 
:)
Doug Selsam Oct. 27, 2014 "CC+ 20yr & 5% of that for DougS"
M'kayyyyyy?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15744 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: AWES-hold remotely operated shears, cutters, demolition devices,

Hi Doug S.,

    We have in forum messages full awareness of tethers that cut other kites and tethers and necks of innocent people. 

    The main disclosure concerns industrial cutters of kinds not used in kite festivals. Remote vision for operations is combined in some embodiments

    The royalty cut in is after commercial use at a significant level, else no royalty for any novelty that remains following any counterexamples. You are welcome forward any counterexamples in the arts.

    The effort at my end is one of art and tech sharing. You are invited to share your art and tech and protect it he way you wish.  If you use a laser held from a kite system to cut things and do so at a commercial level at the thresholds that kPower, Inc. sets for its IP Pool licenses, then handle me knocking at your door in some manner praying for your fair share over the novelty.  Unless you can show me that the prior art holds remote laser cutting with the cutter held by kite system, perhaps a kite system also converting the wind's energy to drive the laser.  Etc.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15745 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

What you missed, Doug, is that Dave Santos had earlier publicly discussed our use of the CC structure wherein he was describing the essence of the "+"  ... We put the + to ease the story, not create at that point a new story. We knew that CC at Creative Commons was about copyright; Santos with some acceptance spearheaded the new direction beyond conventional copyright.   So, no 5%, Doug. Nice try.  But you are welcome to set up your own CC+ license; and I will aim to help you obtain any due royalties by some effort on my part for you; that is the least I can do to be good community to you, an inventor.

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15746 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Following is a reply by Doug Selsam:

=====================================

JoeF had written: Error: " a kite that is a cluster kite with wing in the kite" Correcting to:  "a kite that is a cluster kite with two or more wings in the cluster."  ***Joe

I think your brain is having a cluster-bleep.  Nobody needs another Webster's dictionary.  If you stopped spending all day pretending to redefine every word and every known process, you might make some progress.  Here we are, years later, with you still playing around with "defining" "a kite".  What is the point? 

 As I've pointed out, (and I didn't make this saying up) "Having an open mind is good, to an extent, just not so open that everything falls out."  In your case, everything you know, think, or just think you know or think you think, has been lofted, and is now falling out, strewn meaninglessly all across the landscape.

By the way, last I knew, the most successful "kite" with "something burning" was the Wright flyer, burning fuel to stay aloft, and today most resulting "kites" have dispensed with the tether and travel at high speed, carrying passengers and cargo around the world.  These "kites" often carry weapons that burn more crap to spew more crap across the sky and landscape, reducing the total number of untethered combustion-based "kites".

~ Doug Selsam
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15747 From: joe_f_90032 Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: "a kite"

Doug S, thanks.

1. One big point for the topic regards severely important communications between some AWES team where "a kite" or "a pilot kite" could be misunderstood between the two parties; missing that "a kite" allows that singular to encompass multiple wings in its wing set could form a huge difference in contracts and peace between companies of distinct nations.  Keeping clear on this tech is not covered by Webster, but by we in the AWES community who are extending he arts to serve others.


Doug, you then would not want to see my "do not publish, draft, notes" files!  

What I do share is culled from a vaster set of unpublished notes.  Please extend whatever seems to catch your attention. 


Once the tether is dropped, then that game is some other game usually. Burning fuels for having powered aircraft and powered captive aircraft is known arts. But having kilns fired by the wind at high altitude is not in the literature of prior arts. Etc.   Please put forward any counterexamples for review and possible use by others in the world; that would be a good work for you.  I will put up counterexamples in the same spirit. Any remaining novelty could be respected by fair players.


Best,

~ JoeF

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15748 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: How to safely scale Makani, Ampyx or AWE others
Its True- Isotropic Kite Domes enable scaling with high capacity-density far beyond previous arch methods, which were also a huge capacity-density scaling leap over conventional AWES sparse comb-topologies (farms of single tether units). This is the flowering of the kite-train ferment that arose in the sixties and seventies decades.

We can sketch out a ConOps where a toy-set of pilot kites initiate dome flight just like the Niagara case, then cascaded mass-launching of the primary-lift layer(s) and WECS layers, reversing in sequence to reduce mass aloft, as wind slacks.

We can fly large numbers of high L/D wings derived from Ampyx or Makani components, or HAWTs optimized for flight, or perhaps flipwings, skybows, or other novel WECS basis. These will be very cheap without so many complex dedicated stand-alone features required.

We can have both abundant Energy Production and "giant zip slide(s)". Transport, recreational resort, and sports aspects can be naturally included as safety factors are validated.

The testing urgently required is to create micro-scale versions, like toy train sets in the sky, for operational-studies.

Wubbo Lives :)






On Monday, October 27, 2014 5:42 AM, "Rod Read rod.read@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15749 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Burning Issues

Upon reflection, I am seeing large potential new applications for burning H2 aloft, related to misc. side effects like H20 production (to create ballast from lifting-gas, supply water in dry air, etc.) and light production (catalytic bright gas "lime lights"). Giant lights might beam excess atmospheric energy out to space, or focus on solar farms at night (THz EMR). There is nothing seen definitely useful yet but, as usual, Joe's fertile intuition leads to new application realms. CC+ 4.x BY NC+ SA

----------------- clarification -----------------

Joe clearly is the master of copyright law here. Doug is the one confusing copyright with patent law, and seems unable to understand how copyright is evolving under the CC movement, and that the "+" is merely a specific standard designation that custom license terms apply.

Doug is unaware that we are not mindlessly seeking to reinvent government-enforced patent rights, but to define a community honor system for fair public recognition of non-patented AWE inventive art. We are not worried about getting ripped-off by imitators without honor, since they are a negligible fraction of the larger PR-driven economy*. We expect that there will plenty of honorable players to work with. I have already negotiated CC+ royalties with partners, and partly depend on them for living income.

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* Whereby the commercial prospects of bad-actors are sufficiently constrained by being named-and-shamed as deserved.









On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:30 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15750 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Tipping TeePee Iso-Dome and Pilot-Lift
As disclosed before, a kite dome can be designed to passively tip downwind to accept wind from any direction, but the remaining problem is how to make the LE quadrant stable. In smaller versions, curved LE spars and other tricks can be applied, but the best scaling path seems to be to hold up the LE lip with pilot kite lift.

What is here proposed is that the dome radial lines can extend upward over the dome to converge at a point (a string "teepee"), where the self-orienting pilot kite(s) is attached by a swivel, and holds up the LE. This is expected to be a robust solution to passive kite dome flight, with the current flaw that the pilot component projects rather high over the dome. It is expected that a simple rigging solution will be found to mitigate this flaw.

CC+ BY NC+ SA
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 15751 From: dave santos Date: 10/27/2014
Subject: Re: Lava flows
These slow flows are a nice fit with intermittent wind.  Water-lifting is obviously the most universal humanitarian app, and Joe's lava idea adds to the list of specific uses.

Often flooding is a gradual process, where a long rainy season raises water levels gradually, and emergency earth dikes are wanted that kites might raise up, or perhaps kites could pump-out large polders just as polder-mills long have. Kites solve access problems that conventional heavy equipment suffers from (swampy surfaces, rough terrain, lack of roads).

Kites might have a sufficiently rapid response capability to help in many "slow-motion" disasters. Proposed: Lets formally free our Ope AWE CC+ IP for humanitarian applications.


On Monday, October 27, 2014 8:47 AM, "joefaust333@gmail.com [AirborneWindEnergy]" <AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com