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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1171 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Wind Power Generation With a Parawing on Ships, a Proposal

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1172 From: dougselsam Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: Basic AWE facts, starting in the 1970's

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1173 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Fw: [GlobalRelations] Digest Number 713

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1174 From: dave santos Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: RAD MetaStudy Need

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1175 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: X-38

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1176 From: dougselsam Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: More Dubious "Breakthrough" Press Releases

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1177 From: dave santos Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Pocket Aviation: sampling the upper boundary layer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1178 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: More Dubious "Breakthrough" Press Releases

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1179 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: VENTURE CAPITAL & GROWTH INVESTMENT FORUM

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1180 From: dave santos Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Joby Energy Notes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1181 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Joby Energy Notes

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1182 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1183 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Pocket Aviation: sampling the upper boundary layer

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1184 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1185 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1186 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Consensus on AWECS Power Classifications

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1187 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: More Gigawatt COTS AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1188 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1189 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1190 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1191 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: Wayne German's "Venetian Blind Affair" in Low Level Jets (LLJs)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1192 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Gigawatt COTS AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1193 From: dave santos Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Gigawatt COTS AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1194 From: dougselsam Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1195 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS operati

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1196 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS ope

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1197 From: dave santos Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1198 From: harry valentine Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS ope

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1199 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1200 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: LandTractionAWE www.nabx.net big traditional event

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1201 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: LandTractionAWE www.nabx.net big traditional event

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1202 From: dave santos Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1203 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Fw: North American (kite) Buggy Expo

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1204 From: harry valentine Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1205 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1206 From: harry valentine Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1207 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Contemporary hang glider PV surfaces

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1208 From: dave santos Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Tether Art & Science Overview

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1209 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Tether? Tendon? Modelling AWECS at home?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1210 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Progress: WindLift

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1211 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Land, sea, and air use? Manners.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1212 From: harry valentine Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Land, sea, and air use? Manners.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1213 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Is AWECS at table with blimp, aerostat, kytoon associates?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1214 From: Theo Schmidt Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1215 From: harry valentine Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1216 From: harry valentine Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Gates wind study

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1217 From: Christoff Muller Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1218 From: Dan Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: H.R. 3165

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1219 From: Dave Lang Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1220 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview




Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1171 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/20/2010
Subject: Re: Wind Power Generation With a Parawing on Ships, a Proposal


Professor PARK Chul  has been a research in AWECS in recent years. His very rich service in NASA Ames Research Center for several decades  and further service will be tracked at
http://www.energykitesystems.net/PARK/index.html 

He is now at Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology 
KAIST 
Daejeon, Korea

Up to 1995 bibliogrphy:   http://tinyurl.com/PARKChulSOMEpapers

We take pleasure in inviting PARK Chul to AWE,  www.AirborneWindEnergy.com  for any collaborations that he might propose.    Welcome Park Chul.

All are invited to study his former interests, studies, and papers for graces applicable to AWECS.   For example, look to the details of early ballute studes for structural and aerodynamic matters that could affect AWECS.       Anyone's AWE related notes related to PARK Chul's paper are invited to Notes@EnergyKiteSystems.net 

================== 1995 biography note clip from the bibliograph:

Bi

ography of Dr. Chul Park

Chul Park recently retired from the NASA Ames Research Center, where he worked as

a Staff Scientist in the Reacting Flow Environments Branch (formerly the

._ Aerothermodynamics Branch). He joined Ames Research Center in 1964, beginning

with a three year position as a National Research Council Post-Doctoral Research

Associate. His pioneering works include conception and design of aeroassisted transfer

vehicles, for which he holds a patent, study of radiation and radiative transport in air

not in thermodynamic equilibrium, environmental impact of the Space Shuttle on the

ozone layer, and an impact of meteor penetration of the Earth's atmosphere. He is the

author of a book entitled Nonequilibrium Aerothermodynamics, and authored or coauthored

over 180 articles and reports in scientific conferences and journals. Chul Park

received a B.S. (1957) and M.S. (1960) in Aeronautical Engineering from Seoul

University, Seoul, Korea, served briefly as an Instructor of Aeronautics at the Korean

Air Force Academy, Seoul, Korea

, and received his Ph.D. (1964) in Aeronautics

(hypersonics) from Imperial College of Science and Technology

, London, England. He

is currently a Professor on the Faculty of Engineering in the Department

=================================================

We here do not yet have note regarding his biography during the last 16 years; we hope others and Professor PARK Chul will supply.    

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1172 From: dougselsam Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: Basic AWE facts, starting in the 1970's
Harry:
Thanks for spreading the word.
The company you mention has had the same experience of other underwater turbines such as the one in the Hudson River: The blades broke.

Yes Superturbine(R) technology potentially solves that problem by using many smaller blades instead of one big set. Result: Lower total rotor mass for the same total swept area, and higher RPM which reduces the need for gearing.

I feel as though we are looking at the answer to the energy crisis if only anyone could believe it could be so simple.
I wish all the large deep pockets organizations that purport urgency in developing clean energy could take a moment to realize they need to get proactive and identify such breakthrough technologies and nurture them. Instead they continue to place the same gauntlet of way too much paperwork into the path of us innovators, rather than identifying us and helping to move the breakthrough technology forward. The actions do not bring about the stated goals, but instead just more of the same. They are like an alcoholic who needs "just one more drink" to get back to "normal" so he can drive him self to rehab. They can't understand doing anything they're not already used to. The president specifically states that we need to identify and empower all the small-time innovators out there whom he knows have the solutions, yet the status quo bureaucrats are habituated to considering only the established recognized brand names with familiar designs, whose technology is too far committed through tooling and even tradition at this point to change or be replaced by them: an o0cean liner can't turn on a dime when it is at full speed already - it can hardly turn at all but is just going to plow ahead. So it's up to us to build it and get it out there, and we can't afford to wait for help from on high.
Doug S.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1173 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Fw: [GlobalRelations] Digest Number 713



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1174 From: dave santos Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: RAD MetaStudy Need
This much is known: AWE is problematic but truly promising. To cut through the amazing but confused proliferation of ideas, opinions, & data in the field requires what is called a MetaStudy, an all encompassing comparative review.

Dave Lang pioneered AWE MetaStudy with his short 2004 paper for the Drachen Foundation. Most of us do our own little MetaStudies, but the gaps & biases in these narrow efforts make them all deficient. Global academia is the ideal medium for a colossal AWE MetaStudy & the proper format is rigorous formal analysis & empirical experimentation across all concepts. Some two dozen or so academic institutions have already dabbled in AWE, but with scant collaboration or universality.

The role of outside mostly commercial AWE developers should be to provide candidate study models & financial support. In this imperfect world care must be taken that a major funder like Google.org, Boeing, or Joby Energy does not drive analysis toward any pet solution, but we can trust independent scholars to generally converge on a true picture.

The four month old Airborne Wind Energy Industry Association (AWEIA), the Drachen Foundation, or a potential High Altitude Wind Power Association (HAWPA) could be natural umbrellas to coordinate MetaStudy alongside academic institutions, like TUDelft, Stanford, or the University of Texas, that step up to gather & lead sister institutions worldwide in cooperative research.

The shared results of a thorough MetaStudy will greatly advance the AWE field by soundly informing true large scale investment.



RAD (Rapid AWE Dev)

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1175 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/21/2010
Subject: Re: X-38


http://tinyurl.com/X38parafoil

The full experience of the NASA X-38 has offers to AWE.

To start:

1. Respect and resolution of deployment challenges.

2. Collapse challenges.

3. Sail regions for special reenforcement for several reasons.

4. ?   ..

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1176 From: dougselsam Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: More Dubious "Breakthrough" Press Releases
Well if you believe every press release, there could be no energy crisis. I mean every week someone announces a new (old) wind turbine idea that is somehow 3-4 times as efficient.
Here are a few more I just stumbled across. Anyone want to place bets (betz) on the future of any of these?

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/03/31/jet-engine-like-wind-turbine-4-times-more-efficient/

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/11/24/exro-wind-turbine-generator/

http://www.earthtronics.com/honeywell.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diK_nUpyL9w

Maboomba!
:)
Doug S.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1177 From: dave santos Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Pocket Aviation: sampling the upper boundary layer
As recently posted to this list, a small kite on fine line can reach fairly high altitude.  At little risk or cost the upper surface boundary wind resource can be directly sampled.

KilteLab Ilwaco has assembled a quality system around a modified* Gomberg Pocket Sled & 900ft of added fine spectra fishing line on a plastic winder, all stuffed in a small mesh pouch that fits a shirt-pocket. An included mini-carabiner & nylon ribbon strap lanyard allows anchoring to all kinds of objects.

The kite as rigged easily reaches about 700ft altitude (observe strict flight rules!) & could go even higher with more line.  Its able to loft KiteLab's mini HOBO data logger. This is an astounding aviation capability in a pocket format for about $30 in components.
 
This is a prototype product for KiteLab Group's AWE SuperStore under construction. Take a look at the kite in flight & in its stow pouch.
 
 
* The modification replaces the double tail with a Y-bridle & a single tail. Its lighter & more stable.


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1178 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/22/2010
Subject: Re: More Dubious "Breakthrough" Press Releases


Thanks, Doug Selsam.    In support of the theme:

http://tinyurl.com/500yearsMaglevChina

Let's be sure to look to any embedded lessons that might
affect "AWEifications"  of anyone's turbine. For example,
how might we "AWEify" the Honeywell direction, or the
China maglev direction, or the double-vortex mixing
direction, or the high-count multi-rotor SuperTurbine (R)
direct. Get these babies sized and tethered into higher
winds?   Spacecannon?  Fred Ferguson?  KiteLab? SoarEn?

Honeywell has become the assignee of some large AWECS
patent concepts; they are not going to just sit on rooftops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1179 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: VENTURE CAPITAL & GROWTH INVESTMENT FORUM
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1180 From: dave santos Date: 2/23/2010
Subject: Joby Energy Notes


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1181 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Joby Energy Notes

Thanks DaveS.
JohnO

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1182 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE
  • Terms evolve as assets blossom. Terms often are not static. Terrain involves AWE in very many ways.
    • Anchoring
    • Transporation of assemblies
    • Boundary layer of wind effects
    • Fall space
    • Altitude of terrain for operating AWECS
    • Specialized terrain formations that allow choices:
      • Installation of base station for launching
      • Installation of flexible cable for holding working wings and kites
      • Use of regular wind venturi events
      • ??
      • ??
  • Terrain may allow launching AWECS into higher altitude winds while using less tether or bringing
    less challenges to people and property.
  • Terrain may allow hanging flexible cable on which to hang horizontally or verticall various working wings.
  • Terrain may bring natural ducting and diffusion that could be used by some engineers.
  • ??

DaveS    proposes for our consideration: 
"Disambiguation: Prior Terrain Enabled Wind Power (TEWP) usage is preferred
over later Terrain Enhanced Wind Power. Proposing Terrain Enhanced Wind Resource (TEWR) to replace confusing TEWP usage." ds

Discussion is open:
Perhaps there some distinctions to be made, so assets won't be lost.
Perhaps there is more to this than just a couple of distinctions.
The wind is shaped in many ways by terrain formations.
Terrain formations allow different sorts of activity.  There is terrain receiving less-disturbed airs off bodies of water.
There is terrain as mountains that may allow varied sorts of AWECS instatllations.
Terrain in combination with manmade structures.
Compositon of terrain affects anchoring costs and methods.
Valleys, gorges, plains, high and low terrains, islands, multiple islands, open sea, seabeds, etc.
Examples for classification will probably be examined to sort out distinction on whether the wind resource,
ground-operation parameters, or  flying parts are affected by the nature and options of the terrain.

Terrain challenges, terrain opportunities, terrain as parameter, terrain as resource, terrain as friend, terrain as foe,
terrain as enabler, terrain as enhancer, terrain as former, cost of use of particular terrains, remoteness of terrain,
available terrain, off-limits terrain, instabilities of some terrains, terrains on the move,  
moving terrain by AWECS as a means of storing AWECS-gained energy, holes in terrain utilized for AWECS operations,
deliberate terrain forming for enhacing or enabling effective AWECS installations, ...?..., etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1183 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Pocket Aviation: sampling the upper boundary layer

Partly, this is a test of this Yahoo program.

AWE Superstore is a collaboration. We are lising the Pocket Aviation (tm) first item in one of the

several departments.  Department:  Kites, kytoons, aerostats, pilot kites, lifters,

The aim is to link to others' independent web pages. A modest skeletal beginning

with much room for growth invites all comers. Departments are availble for full AWECS systems, services, consultation, etc.

The one page page snapshot in the abovementioned department:

SUPPLY index     Home

 
Kites, kytoons, aerostats, pilot kites, lifters
 
Micro, Mini, Toy Sport, Nomadic, Residential seaAWE, Commercial, Utility, National Free Flight
 

The the single product (exampling) is here noted when one clicks Pocket Aviation in the preamble page:

 
Pocket Aviation™

As recently posted to the AWE list, a small kite on fine line can reach fairly high altitude. At little risk or cost the upper surface boundary wind resource can be directly sampled.

KiteLab, Ilwaco, WA, has assembled a quality system around a modified* Gomberg Pocket Sled and 300 m of added fine Spectra fishing line on a plastic winder, all stuffed in a small mesh pouch that fits a shirt-pocket. An included mini-carabiner and nylon-ribbon-strap lanyard allows anchoring to all kinds of objects.

The kite easily reaches about 700 ft altitude (with the usual strict precautions!). This is an astounding aviation capability in a pocket format for $30 USD.

* The modification replaces the double tail with a Y-bridle and a single tail. It is lighter and more stable.

Shipping is from Washington State, USA, paid by buyer.
Washington state sales taxes are included in the net price.
 Order is managed by AWE Superstore as a bridge to KiteLab, Ilwaco, WA.

Part of this test is that button.

In all cases, welcome to a point in history of AWECS.      Be sure in time that your offerings are listed in AWE Superstore.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1184 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE
Rugged terrain will usually involve more expense to tie in to the grid, both for distance  and construction cost.  Remember the years that the Altamont wind turbines were just for show, lacking a power line?

Bob Stuart

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1185 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE
Bob,
 
Good point. We see how magic it might be to prospect for ideal set-ups where wind, terrain, populations, undersupply, & grids come together.
 
A golden baseload opprtunity might be, say, a declining coal plant in a river valley with great valley winds. We hang cheapo WP off of terrain on steel cables & drive existing generators in place (by ~direct cableway or via steam cycle), to serve an existing grid. Burn coal as before, *sigh*, but only in calm. Its new renewable baseload capacity at the lowest capital cost.
 
There is as yet no competition for such not-so-rare but uniquely promising TEWP sites.
 
daveS
 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1186 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Consensus on AWECS Power Classifications

Seeking ...

Draft:

Proposed for discussion with aim for eventual industry-wide consensus:

AWECS tug, grind, saw, move, push, pull. generate electricity, etc. AWECS will be operating in very tiny environments (e.g., providing energy for sensors inside living creatures) and very huge environments (e.g. massive meshes mining jet streams or tidal flows).  AWECS will convert fluid flow kinetic energy to mechanical energy which in turn could be directed  to do next-step tasks. What could be the names for power levels? And what would be the power ranges?    Given: One watt  is equal to 1 joule (J) of energy per second. 

Teasing start:

      = Micro Energy Products ( 0+ up to ??W)
      = Mini Energy Products (?? W to ?? W)
      = Small Scale Energy Products (?? W to ?? kW)
      = Medium Scale Energy Products (?? kW to ?? MW)
      = Large Scale Energy Systems (above ?? MW)

What power levels and names for the level?   

What say you?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1187 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: More Gigawatt COTS AWE
Existing TGV technology (electric bullet-train w/ regenerative braking) can be a basis for converting large-scale raw mechanical AWE input into gigawatt scale electricity.
 
A TGV of as many "engines" as desired for a rated output would be pulled around a track-loop by an AWE tri-tether (just as a crank is driven) & output electricity in regenerative mode. The strengthened track would be reverse banked with a retaining link to the center-point & reside in a depression clear of overhead lines.
 
A kite-train of stacked looping parafoils such as the ~10mw Gigafly might easily drive a tri-tether/TGV loop at high speed. Such a kite train could eventually consist of over a hundred kite elements & loop at a low diagonal angle along ~20,000m of tether all the way to the tropopause (~10,000m high). This is gigawatt scale.
 
The overall parafoil stack would work like a bacterial flagellum run backward, or perhaps upside down. Such a large aerostructure runs in such relative slow motion that its in a low Re regime similar to a microorganism's. Mastering complex spiral waves so as to produce high speed cable motion (up to ~500kph for a hot TGV) on the ground will be fun. A TGV loop conceivably might input towing force to keep the kite stack aloft in calm.
 
There is considerable labor involved in these approaches. The loopers can be manually parachute packed & popped sequentially as launch proceeds. They would be "kite-killed" in the normal way & retracted at low pull to be repacked. Terrain, aerotowing, & many other handling tricks might apply.
 
This approach applies at far more modest scales as well. An electric car could be so rigged at the ~100kw scale. KiteLab has shown looping kites & tri-tethers are effective means to drive a crank geometry load.
 
COOPIP

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1188 From: dave santos Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog
A must-read for the AWE world-
 
kiteenergy.blogspot.com
 
A note to Allister about his CDMA AWE start-up post. I will be meeting with these folks while visiting here in Austin. This much is new info; the company is playing with connectionist (neural net) kite control, they have a strong computer science orientation.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1189 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog

 

CMNA Power, LLC

  • Application for patent in Aug. 8, 2008.
    Inventors: Varrichio; Craig; (Round Rock, TX) ; Landry; Mark; (Austin, TX) ; Varrichio; Anthony; (Plano, TX)
    Correspondence Name and Address:
        HULSEY IP INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAWYERS, P.C.
    919 Congress Avenue, Suite 919
    AUSTIN
    TX
    78701
    US

20100032956 SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR HARNESSING WIND POWER AT VARIABLE ALTITUDES


20100032949 SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR ALTERING DRAG AND LIFT FORCES ON A WIND CAPTURING STRUCTURE
 

Their home site.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1190 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/24/2010
Subject: Re: Allister Furey's New Kite Energy Blog
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1191 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: Wayne German's "Venetian Blind Affair" in Low Level Jets (LLJs)

Wayne German's leadership now prefers

"Vertical Blinds" as a closer description

of  his gigawatt AWECS scheme.  The  huge wings are

set vertically.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1192 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Gigawatt COTS AWE
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1193 From: dave santos Date: 2/25/2010
Subject: Re: More Gigawatt COTS AWE
Notes on the NTS prospectus:
 
Its a serious effort with many virtues & flaws. The virtues are well covered in the document & need no repetition here.
 
While impressive, the NTS concept is not really gigawatt rated due to few kites & low altitude (even a modest 1-2 mw utility scale turbine does a few Gwh a year) Its about a tenth the power of the TGV based idea that began this thread (Dave Culp complained KiteLab was too focused on small AWE).
 
SkySails control is cited, but autonomous reliability of such systems is weak at present. Close pilot supervision will be the early norm.
 
An elevated track requires more structure & capital cost than a surface track & adds kite handling & vehicle access issues. Sidetrack switching is needed.
 
Multiple free kites have considerable potential to snag & any single kite problem stalls the whole shebang. Prompt cutaway of a crashed kite & sidetracking the cart is sensible.
 
Some of the assumptions are too rosy. 2m per sec wind is very marginal cut-in (low wind includes frequent zero lulls). 90% UBL generating-speed wind availability is not of this planet, try ~60% for this location. Of course kites are to be towed in brief calm.
 
Isn't Friedland in Northern California? Anyway, i hope these folks persevere just as SkySails has. Its great to see Germans on the march, in circles at least.
 
 
 
 

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1194 From: dougselsam Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Sorting assets: Terrain influences in AWE
Likely obstacles in areas where mountains form a natural venturi are existing windmills.
D.S.

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1195 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS operati

Each of this group is invited to input polishing text regarding tasks, duties, procedures, coordinations, and overseeing actions by AWECS operation team members:

a draft start:

AWECS Team
  • Need-recognition and response coordinator
  • System owner
  • Contracts officer
  • Finanicial controller
  • Legal conultant
  • Investors
  • Receivers/customers of system effects/products/energy/fluid
  • System contract manager
  • Site locator
  • Site preparer
  • Designer
  • Application master
  • Site foreman
  • Site custodian
  • Safety inspector
  • Pump engineer
  • Plumber
  • Generator engineer
  • Tether consultant
  • Electrical engineer
  • Kite lifting body master
  • Winch/reeling engineer
  • Mooring-anchoring engineer
  • Operations and control master
  • Communications manager
  • Installation technician
  • Maintenance technician
 
Need-recognition and response coordinator
 
System owner
  • Plan
  • Insurance oversight
  • Hirings/terminations
  • Receives reports from all departments
  • Employs industrial engineering services

Investors
  • Receive dividends

Receivers of system products/energy/ fluids
  • Recognize the benefits of cleantech involvement
  • Recognize the lowering of tertiary costs by having cleantech products and energy
  • Spread the word about AWECS involvement
  • Install smart systems to efficiently use AWECS products/energy
Contracts manager
  • Negotiates and awards contracts
  • Expedites contracts
  • Evaluates performance of vendors
  • Closes contracts
  • Extends continuation offers

Financial controller
  • Reports
  • Tax reporting
  • Reports to investors

Legal consultant
  • Reviews relations with all affected parties

Site locator
  • Environment checks and approval
  • Wind resource verification
  • Downwind observations
  • Upwind observations
  • Animal environment
  • People environment
  • Airspace availability

 
Site preparer
  • Landscaping
  • Snag identification and clearance
 
Designer
  • Fit the needs of the anticipated product/energy receivers
  • v
 
Application master
  • Identify major and minor applications feasibly served by the effective use of an AWECS system.
  • v
 
Pump engineer
  • Assures the interfaces of pumps meet system targets
  • Coordinates with plumbers
 
Tether consultant
  • Coordinates with winch/reeling engineer
Winch/reeling engineer
  • Coordinates with tether consultant
  • Verifies safety margin of all parts of the winch/reeling operation
  • Coordinates with flight-control master

 
Electrical engineer
  • Verifies that all electrical matters of the entire system coordinate safely
  • Consults and respects lightning experts
  • Assures system meets electrical safety requirements
  • Helps to identify signage needed for handling parts
  • Generator compatibility
  • Generator cooling
  • Generator overspeed protection
  • Circuits and parts to manage shorts
  • Installs and tests alerting circuits
  • Installs appropriate close-down circuits
  • Clears static build-up regions
  • Coordinates with site-safety engineer
  • Installs and tests controllers to meet system specifications
  • v
 
Kite/aerostat/kytoon lifting body and bridling craft master
  • v
 
Mooring-anchoring engineer
  • Consults with soil engineer as needed.
  • Select best-fit anchoring systems
  • Identifies inspection points and installs sensors the report status of the anchoring system
  • Identifies inspection schedule
 
Operations and control master
  • Performs tests. Logs tests and results.
  • Identifies procedures upon failures of control
  • Tests secondary controls

 
Communications manager
  • Tracks the functioning of instruments in the systems
  • Verifies that team members are practiced in backup operations to be used upon safety-critical failures
  • Installs emergency procedures including effective communication paths

 
Safety inspector
  • Coordinates with each team member
  • Confirms that airspace and groundspace is clear
  • Maintains oversight in pre-flight, flight, and post-flight
  • Oversight on maintenance schedules
Installation technician
  • Fulfills the installation to plans
  • Reports anomalous observations to site manager

 
Maintenance technician
  • Fulfills maintenance schedules on lubrication
  • Reports anomalous matters to safety inspector

Site custodian
  • Stay in tight communication with site manager
  • Manages cleaning, clearance of debris, construction of debris-prevention strucutres

 
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1196 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS ope

A dedicated folder with an active realtime polishing data-entry comment form has been constructed.

All are invited to the AWE Sector space and working page for advancing the description of team members.

Upon some further progress, a dedicated page for each team member will be constructed for advancing each position.

This set of files will be available as a template for any AWECS project or installation in any nation, state, or site. Users will be able to scale and size the their teams according to their needs.    

Because of the active working realtime posting tool for data entry, the effort is in AWE Sector with its subscription basis. Some are opting the student subscription status until they determine their status otherwise.

Working page on this project:

http://www.energykitesystems.net/0/Team/index.html

Subscription start:  http://www.energykitesystems.net/0subscribe.html    Several levels of support are available.

 

Lift,

JoeF

 

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1197 From: dave santos Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Prospecting for SuperWind
Ken & Cristina's famous estimates put global wind energy at some hundred-plus times greater than human needs. Given such abundance, its smart to cherry-pick the very finest wind by availability, reliability & strength. Call this "superwind". Let it be defined as either regularly occurring gale to hurricane strength wind as found in jet streams (particularly at upper altitudes), gap wind, convection tails, katabatic wind, etc., or extremely reliable or persistent wind, such as seabreeze & stratospheric return flow.
 
The common theme to most superwind is energy focusing. Many planetary features, like spin & differential heating on the grand scale, & coasts & mountains on a more mesoscale, focus wind energy into vortices & jets. Vortices have a zone between center & margin where flow is most energetic. Jets have cores where energy focuses. Chasing superwind is envisioned in some conceptions. The jet stream might be somehow followed cross country to extend capacity factor close to 100%. Every little cumulus has an convection tail, like an invisible stalk of a mushroom cloud, where energy focuses as a vertical jet (pure lift).
 
Mountain ranges have major focusing or blocking effects on wind. A mountain wave is the piling up of air pressure to windward as a bow-wave that often extends to the stratosphere. Wind tends to go around mountain bow waves or thru gaps accelerated. Wind jumping over continental landmasses accelerates katabaticly as it flows downhill on the lee-side. Look at a global average wind map to clearly see these effects (Joby has a good graphic online).
 
Of course superwind alone is not financially attractive without a market. Fortunately many of the best geographically accelerated upper winds occur over major energy markets like Japan & the upper US East Coast. Remote superwind development will lag behind local superwind harvesting & as the (liquid) hydrogen economy matures. There are precedents, like early Niagara Falls hydopower, where "build it & they will come" applies.
 
KiteLab located on the US NW Pacific Coast to do AWE research, as the year-around winds in this area are perhaps the best in the country. It was Wayne German who touted this opportunity. WindLift relocated to KittyHawk & Makani jets to Maui by the same logic. A company serious about developing AWE must go where the resource is plentiful to get the most flying time in. Avoid the many lesser "dead" zones unless, perhaps, you aim for marginal low wind markets with specialized UL technology.
 
COOPIP
 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1198 From: harry valentine Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Inviting group polishing of tasks, duties, procedures: AWECS ope
Somebody evidently did a lot of work to formulate this management plan.
 
Harry
 



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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1199 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind
Wind power is already economic using ground-based beam-type structures.   Kites, being primarily tension structures, should be able to economically harness lighter winds.  It may be tempting to chase the fastest wind spots, but I think that the more importanat factors are consistency,  proximity to the  grid, and proximity to  opportunity for pumped hydro storage.

Bob
-On 26/02/2010 1:23 PM, dave santos wrote:
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1200 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: LandTractionAWE www.nabx.net big traditional event

AWECs list members,

As you may know, I am no longer subscribed to the AWECs list. However, I would like to extend an invitation to the entire list to attend the North American Buggy Expo (NABX) on Ivanpah Dry Lake bed on the California/Nevada border this March 30 - April 4. I am not affiliated with NABX in any way and derive no financial or other benefit from their event--I go because I enjoy it!

NABX is the United State's pre-eminent kite buggying event. It's been held on this site annually for more than 15 years and will feature upwards of 300 participants; drawn to California's high desert to enjoy mild Summer-like days, crisp nights and premier kite sailing winds from zephyrs to 40 mph howlers.

Not an alternative energy event, rather NABX attracts some of the most skilled kite designers and kite flyers in the world. This year New Zealanders Peter Lynn and Pete Lynn; arguably two of the world's best traction kite designers and manufacturers will both be there, competing against Europe's and America's best designers and kites. Professional, semi-professional and rank amateur kite buggiers from all across the United States, Canada and even from France, the Netherlands and Germany (and New Zealand!) will be there. There will be spirited racing, and also a great deal of fun as the "pros" let their hair down and just have a good time kite buggying amongst their friends and rivals. There will be attempts against the world kite buggy speed record--currently near 75 mph. There will be beer, spirits (shared with friends--never for sale!) and "shot car" racing galore.

Ivanpah Dry Lake is a 15 mile-long by 3 mile-wide dead flat, dead smooth dry lake; clay surfaced and reserved, for all time, strictly for wind and human-powered vehicles. The world record for land speed sailing was broken there in 1993--and again just last year--during NABX! The lakebed straddles the state line between California and Nevada; HIghway 15 (the main highway between Los Angeles and Las Vegas) bisects the lake, and of course there are several casino/hotels--right on the lake shore. You can stay in sartorial splendor at the casinos for $30-40/night, or you are welcome to camp on the lakebed itself. There is a huge discount "outlet" mall within walking distance of the casinos, so even your "better halves" can enjoy themselves.

Please, I invite you to go to www.nabx.net and check the event out. Tickets are $75 for participants (buggiers) and $45 for non-buggying guests, and are good for all 6 days of the event. Your ticket will likely include some meals, a commemorative T-shirt, insurance coverage and a lifetime of great memories. Many participants drive there from all over the US, or discount flights are available via Las Vegas'  International Airport--just 40 miles away--with inexpensive rental cars available.

If you've ever wanted to learn and "feel" the state of the art in traction kiting--this is the event to make. Please, won't you join us?

Respectfully,

Dave Culp

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1201 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: LandTractionAWE www.nabx.net big traditional event
Perhaps someone will have a heavy buggy with the wheels cranking onboard
generator

to charge a significant set of batteries. Light up the buggy for
evening runs via traction-gained

electric generation. Get from A to B in cycles while ending up really
charged! Buggied AWEgen.

Thanks for invitation!
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1202 From: dave santos Date: 2/26/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind
Bob,
 
There is no fault in your cautious logic, but the siren song of high superwind is impossible for the true HAWP crowd especially to resist.
 
Conventional wind power is indeed now economic in the wealthier energy markets, but its not so cheap. High capital cost has slowed & even prevented its implementation for most of the planet. Kites promise a much lower price of admission to green power, even in ideal ground turbine territory.
 
Trouble with low wind & kites is more frequent landing & relaunching, or more towing, helium, etc. A conventional turbine sits out calm without fuss. For near baseload availability it may be better to routinely furl AWE in high wind than force it to land all the time in slower wind. There is also the need to extract considerable power just to keep a kite aloft. Low winds are very tough to get net output. I have held 2300 sq ft of Osborne parafoil with one hand in light air, it had nothing more to give. Naturally the lightest kite tech wins in low wind (as well as key safety-critical/insurability factor), so KiteLab kinda owns lowest windspeed AWE practice.
 
The fascination with high winds is similar to gold, which nowadays mostly comes from industrial processing of low-grade ore. Many of us are suckers for big gold nuggets in this pioneering phase. KiteLab has flown extensively in hurricane force winds on the NW coast to develop high wind kiting, its doable & quite a thrill, but you better like long tails. A tiny kite gone nuts in high wind will pull a strong man down. Note that "superwind" was broadly defined to include slower but highly reliable wind, like stratospheric return flow.
 
I hope AWE wins across the board, high & low wind, & windmills become mostly historical displays, like Old Holland. This potentially means far less embodied environmental impact & more human prosperity. Many wind farm regions are near saturation already, & each turbine entails a service road, concrete foundation, tons of steel tower, & a degraded natural appearance. Offshore surface turbines have their own problems. The sky is far more ample wind power real-estate & the denser resource.
 
daveS
 
Note: I forgot to mention "crack" wind previously, where multiple factors combine into superwind, like Hung Vu's tradewind & seabreese added together (drooling on keyboard).

 


From: Bob Stuart <bobstuart@sasktel.net

Wind power is already economic using ground-based beam-type structures.   Kites, being primarily tension structures, should be able to economically harness lighter winds.  It may be tempting to chase the fastest wind spots, but I think that the more importanat factors are consistency,  proximity to the  grid, and proximity to  opportunity for pumped hydro storage.

Bob
-On 26/02/2010 1:23 PM, dave santos wrote:


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1203 From: Hardensoft International Limited Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Fw: North American (kite) Buggy Expo



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1204 From: harry valentine Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind

The prevailing direction of winds such as the westerlies in both hemispheres blowing from the west toward the east suggests something about the boundary layer between the earth and the atmosphere. The sense of the earth's rotation has the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. The Jet Stream follows the same path as the westerlies.
 
Evidently not all wind energy is caused by uneven heating of earth and ocean. The westerlies and the jet stream may result of the interplay between the effect of the boundary layer between earth and atmosphere combined with the effect of solar gravitation on the earth's atmosphere.
 
 
This interplay certainly provides some good prospects for superwinds.


Harry


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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1205 From: Bob Stuart Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind
It is easy to see the effect of extraterrestrial gravitation on the ocean, and the moon is a much stronger influence than the sun.

Bob-
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1206 From: harry valentine Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Re: Prospecting for SuperWind
The westerlies blow closer to the poles and outside of the tropics where gravitational influence of the moon and/or sun is less than inside the tropics. where the SE trade winds generally blow.
 
Interesting prospecting for wind.
 
 
Harry

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: bobstuart@sasktel.net
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:00:46 -0600
Subject: Re: [AWECS] Prospecting for SuperWind

 
It is easy to see the effect of extraterrestrial gravitation on the ocean, and the moon is a much stronger influence than the sun.

Bob-


Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1207 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/27/2010
Subject: Contemporary hang glider PV surfaces
Serious hang glider pilot NMERider is considering some PV
surface for bringing charge to video camera works.
during long flights.
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1208 From: dave santos Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Tether Art & Science Overview
Tethers are like powerful magic for transmitting great tensile force between points with minimal mass & cost. AWE kites depend on tethers to convey Newtonian reaction between the ground & wind. Most kiteline dynamics is well described by classical mechanics of waves in a physical medium (stress-waves). Phonon (virtual particle) theory is the atomic scale quantum explanation of kiteline "tug".  In fact phonons & stress waves are merely different views of the same solid-state physics. Electron transfer is the added basis of conductive AWE tethers.
 
A kite & its tether must dynamically adapt to wind, which is often chaotic. Kiters select the weight of a tether & set its length to fit along the windspeed gradient with altitude. A dancing kite feels tether-force as quasi acceleration, a dynamic virtual gravity much like a science fiction "tractor beam". Unlike gravity, tether-force is capricious, itself a chaotic source, with slack & jerk in odd directions. Tunable critical-damping of the kite's inputs across all conditions is a key to reliable flight. Tether tuning is the easiest most flexible adjustment.
 
Since aero-towing (powered kiting) began almost 100 years ago, glider pilots (& later hang-glider & paraglider pilots) have dreaded "lock-out", where control is mysteriously overwhelmed & the towed aircraft hooks & dives into the ground. Pilots learned to mostly avoid lock-out without well understanding the phenomenon. Towing Aloft, by Dennis Pagen, is a good reference for taming lock-out. Its taken a couple of years of further study to formally identify multiple causes for lock-out emerging from the complex harmonic interaction of wind, kite, & tether. An common example is when a short tether's harmonic period roughly matches a kite's yaw period; wild instability ensues, much as a double pendulum acts freaky. Previous posts have detailed the tether harmonic issue.
 
Modern polymer tethers are reliable when well chosen & cared for. Some sport fliers almost never replace line & get away with years of avid use. The key is to start with good line slightly over specified for conditions, trading reliability for a bit extra drag. KiteLab flys the same tethers for hundreds to thousands of hours to see how they age & only once in recent years has a tether parted unexpectedly, burnt out in electric hail. As Mario Milanese has observed, flying multilines is pretty much guaranteed to prevent runaway.
 
Conductive tethers suffer from higher mass & aerodrag than polymer tethers of equivalent power transmission, but may be favored on small scales & where mechanical transmission seems less practical. One overlooked problem with high altitude conductive tethers is enhanced corona discharge at lower atmospheric pressure. This limits transmission voltage or entails more insulation mass. Electrical failure modes of a tether matter: If the circuit opens the load is spiked & the turbine overspeeds; If shorted the load still sees an open circuit, but now the flygen will brake suddenly, possibly burning out &/or snapping turbine blades. Conductive tethers are considerable hazards around powerlines & lightning. Conductor heating can melt the polymer load bearing part of a tether. Conductor hazard mitigation is by such means as bypass conductors, fuses/cicuitbreakers, varisters, UPSs. etc. In non-saline conditions, polymer tethers are not direct shock/short hazards when downed on power lines & are not a major lightning risk. 
 
The strongest fibers enable the thinnest & lightest tethers. Highest performers suffer a lower ROI if too pricey. Primary qualities are yield/breaking strength, elasticity, aerodrag, & mass. Other factors include UV/abrasion resistance & melting point. The best performing standard kiteline is Ultra High Molecular Weight PolyEthylene (UHMWPE; Dyneema/Spectra) which rivals in strength early carbon nanotube samples. Polyester & Nylon are cost-to-performance competitive with UHMWPE when stretch & thicker cross-section is allowable. Nylon is favored when some stretch is desirable but has low UV resistance. Elastomer, usually synthetic or natural rubber, is used for shock absorption & compliance. For terrain enabled applications, where weight limits are relaxed, wire rope (galvanized steel) is hard to beat. Its possible biomaterials like silk, hemp, linen, & cotton will find a place in advanced kiting due to aesthetic or environmental grounds. There are many curious tether interactions, for example, weaker cotton will saw, or rather melt, a stronger UHMWPE tether by greater friction & heat resistance.
 
Like tether weight, aerodrag fundamentally limits performance. Line rake is a great drag reduction mode, the more rake angle the more simple round line wins by unbeatable strength-to-drag. Crosswind tethers are high drag. No tether is truly worst-case crosswind as some catenary always rakes in. Angled upward downwind tethers generate downforce & must be longer for a given altitude. Angling a conductive tether upwind against a downwind angled polymer tether may help flygen applications. Faired tethers is a well known & obvious idea. Good data has existed for nearly fifty years since MIT first did experiments. Faired tethers do have considerably less drag but the balsa TEs MIT tested don't survive normal usage & suitable material hardly exists to this day. Line twist & strumming drag is uncontrollable without weight & complexity penalties. Faired line entails handling & wear issues with pulleys, fairleads, & reels. Round line of the same strength has less drag than ribbon sectioned line due to lessened strum. Twisted fibers with a fine enough texture have an aero advantage, by shedding strum canceling vortices & acting like golf ball texture, postponing detached flow.
 
A graded tether made up of stronger lower sections & thinner upper sections, often with swivels in between,  can out-perform a long monotether. Assembling a tether in sections with hardware is classic art from the Victorian Era. High wear sections are sleeved or overspecified without much added weight. Multiple kites often promptly saw each others lines if allowed to cross. A multi-tether is runaway resistant, but many lines adds snag risk & other operational challenges. A kitefield is best purged of all snags. Knots are well known weak points in a line. The basic cause of weakness is looping line under stress around a tight radius. Nicks & abrasion are far more common failure modes. One can usefully assume a common knot to be within a tolerance for replacing worn line. Previous posts have detailed the rigging & flying of complex train, arch, & mesh tether/kite arrays.
 
Dipping booms (think fishing-pole) & elastic sections ("snubbers") absorb peak loads to maximize tether reliability & performance. One use of a snubber is at a pilot-lifter bridle to insulate it from yanking by a power element down-line, like a looping foil.
  
An inclined tether that slacks suddenly at the kite (usual cause- a reverse eddy "pocket") creates a transverse wave that moves quickly downward (faster & at higher amplitude the more massy the tether). As such a wave races groundward its hard to retract fast enough to prevent tether touchdown. KiteLab often observes this experimentally, most dramatically in heavier lines like electrical conductors. Call it Sudden Tether Sag (STS). An engineer at HAWP09 discounted STS & particularly questioned the massy faster sag observation invoking Galileo, to wit, a heavy tether must sag as fast as a light one. A less elastic & less draggy (by strength growing faster than cross-section) tether sags a bit faster, but this is not the main sudden sag effect. Maybe its that a heavy tether has more self-tension & thus a higher internal "speed of sound". Dave Lang, AWE's tether guru, has seen similar sag effects in his simulations. STS is a major challenge in large high-altitude flygen schemes, as McNaughten & Co. suggest.
 
Power kite tethers are quite hazardous. They lasso & pull aloft kiters & drop them as did Osborne's Monster to Eideken. When that tether parted it snapped back like a cannon shot & would have killed more had not the human ants at the anchor point scattered.  A moving AWE tether can suck you into machinery. Thin tethers easily cut flesh & dejoint like a sword, where a thicker line might only burn. Joe Hadzicki taught me at NABX that when all hell breaks loose & killer kiteline is slithering or whistling about, you should crouch slightly, chin tucked, cupping hands over ears with elbows tucked. Thus poised jump-rope nimbly over any ground sweeping lines, a hazard Peter Lynn describes well. The idea is to protect form garroting the throat, jugular, & all other major arteries & veins; dangly bits & ears too, since having them sewn back on is a hassle. Better for a line to saw at bone than slice right thru a joint. To handle fast moving tethers under high tension; wear gloves with gauntlets, carry a hook knife, dress to minimize snags, & carry an organ donor card.
 
Thanks to Dave Lang for having answered many tether questions over time & for helpful input to this overview.
 
COOPIP

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1209 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Tether? Tendon? Modelling AWECS at home?

Tether?  Tendon?
http://tinyurl.com/AWECSmodelPERHAPS

Getting self as AWE prime mover? Charge. Load. Fill.
Rewrite: H as K.    Human as working kite?

Thanks for link, Dan'l.

 


 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1210 From: Joe Faust Date: 2/28/2010
Subject: Progress: WindLift

Some specialized progress:

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                     Im  

What say us on WindLift ?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1211 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Land, sea, and air use? Manners.

Will AWECS installations have less land use per watt than hard-towered turbines? 

The shown photo shows one site for towered turbines.

The site cannot be used  safely for slope soaring by hang gliders.

Will we find a way to anchor AWECS without so many roads?

http://genuinepowersolutions.com/images/Wind_Turbines_high_000.jpg 

Will coming big sister AWECS conduct itself  with comparatively better manners?

http://www.windkraftkonstruktion.vogel.de/imgserver/bdb/241900/241950/540x.jpg 

Will the higher-air higher smoothness, increased velocity, better dependability, thickness vertically,
opportunity horizontally, wider site opportunities end in better manners?   May we so make it.

May AWECS become known as having good manners.

 

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1212 From: harry valentine Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Land, sea, and air use? Manners.

Hi Joe,
 
 
The spectacle of wind turbines in the links you provided remind me of the kind of logging that prevailed on public lands in Western Canada, in parts of Indonesia, Brazil and Central Africa. The sad part about tower-based wind turbines is that most of them operate courtesy of government subsidy. Lets hope that AWE can operate free from government subsidy and with less impact on the land.
 
 
Harry 
 



Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1213 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Is AWECS at table with blimp, aerostat, kytoon associates?

Is the AWE community at table with blimp, aerostat, and kytoon associates?

Challenges:

  • Hydrogen
  • Helium
  • Other LTA gases
  • Solar heating
  • Solar surfacing
  • Leak rate
  • Recharge of LTA
  • Pressure control
  • Size
  • Longevity
  • Secondary uses of skyhook beyond AWECS primary use? 
    • Advertising, communications constellation member,
    • surveillance,
    • aerial photography,
    • sky vacation home,
    • recreational in-sky airport,
    • weather watch,
    • recreational rides,
    • excursion viewing,
    • holder of transport cables, etc. 
    • <Send it in!
    • Reason for use within an AWECS system:
      •  pilot lifter,
      • main lifter,
      • sky anchor,
      • holder of turbines in various ways,
      • servicing other larger AWECS sky parts,
      • launcher of kite part,
      • <Send it in!
      • How close are we at having ever-up kytoons that self-recharge while aloft?
      • ?    <Send it in!

        Pedal-powered blimp AWECS-service person?

        Honeywell assignment

        Provisional application:
        Eric Blumer, Scottsdale, AZ,; John Thurston, Mesa, AZ; Paul Wingett, Mesa, AZ; Louie Timothy Gaines, Phoenix, AZ;
        Yogendra Yogi Sheoran, Scottsdale, AZ. Assignee: Homeywell International, Inc., Morristown, NJ.
        Filed January 7, 2009.    Click image:
         

        Do you have your AWE Sector passkey yet?
        (four options; OK to be student until you know more about your situation)

        Access: AWE Sector

        New or renew: here

        Is this guy getting ready to service large AWECS system?

Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1214 From: Theo Schmidt Date: 3/1/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview
Dave Santos wrote:
Shouldn't the stronger sections be aloft where the kite is? A long line
has considerable weight which is supported between the kite and the
ground. As the angle at the kite is more vertical than the angle at the
ground attachment point, I gather that the force is greater at the kite
side than at the ground side. Am I correct?

Cheers, Theo Schmidt
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1215 From: harry valentine Date: 3/2/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview
The weight of a longer line will definately impose greater tensile stress along the entire line. The upper section of line will carry the added weight of the airborne lower section of line. Perhaps adding some lightweight material such as kevlar or carbon fibre nanotube into the upper section of line may alleviate part of the problem of added tensile stress.
 
 
Harry
 

To: AirborneWindEnergy@yahoogroups.com
From: theosch06@yahoo.de
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:24:59 +0100
Subject: [AWECS] Re: Tether Art & Science Overview

 
Dave Santos wrote:
Shouldn't the stronger sections be aloft where the kite is? A long line
has considerable weight which is supported between the kite and the
ground. As the angle at the kite is more vertical than the angle at the
ground attachment point, I gather that the force is greater at the kite
side than at the ground side. Am I correct?

Cheers, Theo Schmidt



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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1216 From: harry valentine Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Gates wind study
All,
 
 
You may be aware that Bill Gates commissioned a study on wind power:
 
http://www.thegatesnotes.com/Conversations/specialfeature.aspx?ID=53
 
The people who undertook the study were NOT engineers!
 
 
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Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1217 From: Christoff Muller Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview
I think you are right: the line's weight will cause the upper part to
carry more of the weight, but the wind drag will be carried more by
the lower part. (The line will curve like a parabola, with the upper
part more vertical and the lower part more horizontal. Since the wind
drag is the horizontal force component, all the wind drag will be seen
at the bottom of the line with zero (or negative) horizontal force
seen by the upper point of the line )

Maybe these two forces will be similar resulting in a more or less
uniform force throughout the line?

My feeling from flying single line kites at large angles to the side
of the wind is that the wind drag will be much more than the weight,
so I believe the lower part of the line will have to be stronger. Only
exception would be a very heavy streamlined tether.

Christoff
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1218 From: Dan Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: H.R. 3165
There is a Bill that is going to be brought up in the Senate (US) and I've been asked if there is anything I might want added to the Bill. I got thinking about AWE and asked Joe, Joe suggested I send an inquiry to the Group. Any suggestions. www.opencongress.org Thanks

Dan'l

ps. as Joe says lift off. Worth a try is it not?
Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1219 From: Dave Lang Date: 3/3/2010
Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview
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    Hi All,

    Re: the discussion about line tension, looks like both Theo and Christoff are analyzing the issue in good engineering fashion.....yes it is a tradeoff between line drag and line weight, and for the cases I have been simulating, it comes out with peak tension at the airborne lifting element (rather than at the ground).

    Below is a concrete example corresponding to a 50,000 ft of 1.5 inch diameter spectra; the simulation is modelling tether aerodynamic lift & drag, tether lineal weight density, and airborne element lift, with elastic degrees of freedom for the tether line (which naturally results in catenary-like tether shapes)....in a 65 knot wind@30k-ft.
      -  The dashed-line is tension at the lifting element,
      -  the Solid-line is tension at the ground

    (btw, as an aside, the tension-wigglies between 200-600 sec result from flying "cross wind maneuvers" with the lifting element).


    DaveL



    At 6:31 PM +0200 3/3/10, Christoff Muller wrote:
    Group: AirborneWindEnergy Message: 1220 From: Joe Faust Date: 3/3/2010
    Subject: Re: Tether Art & Science Overview


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